Feeding gravid female and a few other questions

[ashleynicole]

There are some great sections in the books on corn snake care about breeding. Kathy Love and Don Soderberg have great books you should read about breeding corns, this will help you be better prepared.

Dude I've been reading books and researching for three years and I find your tone extemely condescending.

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[ashleynicole]

I feel like the stress of moving her would be worse than just leaving her home. Just make sure that the moss in her box is thoroughly damp, so the eggs don't dry out while you're gone.

Leave her be. Moving her around now would stress her out and possibly cause problems for her.

Thank you both and I feel you are correct. I think moving her would be a bad idea and cause too much stress. We didnt plan to be out of town next weekend, a family member gave us some days at their time share so we couldn't pass it up.

My only concern is the two days we are gone, if she lays I read the females will eat the eggs if left with them?

Also I am not bothering her or touching her except to check the box everyday for eggs. She hasn't come out at all, no head or tail sticking out and she's not moving much. I only lift the lid to check and put it right back.

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[Nanci]

She should be fine with the eggs. I bet she stays coiled protectively around them. I've never heard of corn snakes eating their own eggs. I have heard Western hognose will.

 

[hypnoctopus]

I personally have never heard of the female eating her eggs. Mine laid hers the one day I was out of town and they were fine.

 

[ashleynicole]

Thank you that makes me feel better. I still hope she lays before we leave though! The suspense is killing me....

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[ashleynicole]

And btw I own and have read several books on various snakes including Don Soderberg'a "Corn Snakes in Captivity", but no amount of reading or preparation compares to the real deal which is why I have been a member of this wonderful forum since 2005 and have grown and learned a lot in the last 9 years.

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[smigon]

Dude I've been reading books and researching for three years and I find your tone extemely condescending.

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I apologize if my tone is "condescending", how so? I really am trying to help. You asked two questions in the OP, "So two questions. One does she look gravid for sure and when can I expect eggs, and two should I offer her food?" and both questions can be answered through books. That is why I suggested them.

And by the way, I would be a "Dudette"!

Again, sorry if you thought I was condescending, I certainly didn't mean to come across that way. I have nothing but the best interest for all corns and questions on this site as others can attest.

 

[ashleynicole]

I apologize if my tone is "condescending", how so? I really am trying to help. You asked two questions in the OP, "So two questions. One does she look gravid for sure and when can I expect eggs, and two should I offer her food?" and both questions can be answered through books. That is why I suggested them.

And by the way, I would be a "Dudette"!

Again, sorry if you thought I was condescending, I certainly didn't mean to come across that way. I have nothing but the best interest for all corns and questions on this site as others can attest.

Condescending because you are making the assumption that I have not researched or read a book or looked at a ton of pictures to compare, still doesn't make me an expert with my very first gravid female.

I have been keeping snakes for 9 years, about three years ago we decided we wanted to try our hand at breeding so we acquired a couple of females and suitable male mates. I've read books and articles and googled and am extremely careful with my husbandry. We've gone to reptile shows and talked to breeders, we visited a local herp farm and saw how they do things as well. 9 years keeping snakes and Ive had not a single health problem or regurge in the last 8 years. I have a good local herp vet and I also have other reptiles so it is a little frustrating to see those kinds of comments. Maybe you could have re worded and asked which books ive read on the subject? Or in the beginning of my threads, both of which I believe you responded to, I mentioned my experience preparation and research.

It's kind of like when I was in nursing school and I read all the books and practiced putting in IVs and catheters on the dummies... but the first real patient I had to start an IV on? That was a whole different story. Or when I volunteered in high school at a vets office and gave my first injection. I had watched hundreds but nothing compares to holding the needle in your hand. Even Don Soderberg said in his book that sexing a snake is not something you can learn by reading books or looking at pictures... or did you not read that chapter?

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[ashleynicole]

We also visit this place every year:

http://www.reptilediscoverycenter.com/

Which is absolutely amazing, you learn something everytime you go and the guy took time to talk to is about how they keep and breed all of their snakes. You get to watch live venom extractions which is totally the most awesome thing I've ever seen, and watching how they handle venomous snakes is invaluable! My husband has been training and learning how to handle venomous snakes and has even removed a few rattlers and gators locally.

You can go back and read my posts on this site from 2005 I have learned so much but never really felt the need to defend that previously. There are people on here that make my little bit of knowledge look like nothing but I DO know the basics.


Here is me with a black mamba!

Venom extraction of an eastern diamondback

Awe look at the baby

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[ashleynicole]

I apologize for going on a tangent.. I feel better now

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[smigon]

I do not always notice who is posting, I read this entire post and not once did you mention your research or history. There are thousands of members here, you are not one I am familiar with so why would I have known what you have or have not read? You asked many questions on this thread, so I suggested a few great books on corn snakes just as I would do for anyone else who had as many questions as you asked in this post alone.

I am sorry I did not word my response in a way that would make you feel warm and fuzzy, I personally welcome any suggestions on research or husbandry and have not found any other members who took offense to advice when they asked, whether they knew the answer or not. I never accused you of anything, I simply suggested some reading material.

"Even Don Soderberg said in his book that sexing a snake is not something you can learn by reading books or looking at pictures... or did you not read that chapter?"

I am not even sure what this is referring to! This thread mentions nothing about sexing corns!

Again, I did not mean to offend you, you had many questions in this post and researching in books is a great way to find the answers. That was all I was suggesting. I am glad you feel better after going out on a tangent, and I hope your eggs all hatch to be healthy babies.

 

[ashleynicole]

You said I should read a book to learn the answer to my question, I was quoting a section in a book I have read that says you can't learn everything you need from reading a book.

In short your answer to my question was to read a book. If I could find the answer I needed in a book or an article I wouldn't have posted a question in the first place.

My questions are in regard to my gravid female at this point in time. It is a unique experience which is why I also posted pictkes of her in her current state as well.

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[ashleynicole]

I live in central florida. We have a male snow corn with a motley pattern and a female sunglow motley and after having the female for about three years we are ready to breed. (But she was already over a year old when we got her)We had her at a repticon about a year ago looking for a mate and that's when we got the ghost. We do have a male okatee but wanteda mate that would give us more interesting offspring. The female sunglow is supposed to be heterozygous for anery I think I was told but Im not the most knowledgeable with the genetics. The breeders at repticon last year said they were both ready but I waited another year so I could make sure my female was well conditioned and believe me I've talked to breeders and read a lot of articles but I still want as much advice and guidance as I can get.

So we fed them last week and they have recently shed so I put them together today. There was absolutely no chasing, they locked tales almost immediately. I waited a couple hours and when they looked bored I separated them again. From my research I should put them together every day at least 3-4 times is this correct? Or should I wait a day or so in between? I am going to make a nesting box with fresh moist sphagnum moss and then I know I should feed the female really well until she lays. And I've read different things about the water dish for gravid females so would appreciate input on that as well.

When you move your eggs to an incubator I've read about putting them on different substrates like vermiculite and being careful not to turn the eggs over. I have a hygrometer, thermometer, etc. How exactly do you handle your eggs? Why couldn't they be left in the sphagnum moss nesting box, like just move the nesting box to the incubator?

I apologize if this is too many questions but despite years of snake keeping this is my first time so I want to do my best. Our oldest snake is our okatee corn I raised from a hatchling and he is 10 years old so I am very careful with my husbandry.

I'm sorry my baseline info is from the first post I made when I started this venture.


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[ashleynicole]

Im sorry if I seem rude. Your responses to my posts have been a little irritating. I usually just ignore posts that irritate me but its been ongoing. You repsonded to another thread where I posted a picture of my oldest male and tried to tell me the 20 gallon long display cage he was in was too small and that I needed more hides, etc... when you knew nothing about my husbandry or experience and I didn't even ask for advice on housing. ( FYI we have a rack system and rotate out the big ones on display)

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[ashleynicole]

I kinda wish I had an edit button to go back and tone down some of my responses. Yes I was frustrated by your response but that wasn't an excuse for me to be rude I think I could've expressed my opinions more politely.

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[drybgerg]

I kinda wish I had an edit button to go back and tone down some of my responses. Yes I was frustrated by your response but that wasn't an excuse for me to be rude I think I could've expressed my opinions more politely.

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Become a contributing member and you'll get an edit button, comes in very handy!!

 

[ashleynicole]

Become a contributing member and you'll get an edit button, comes in very handy!!

Ah no thanks. Ive got my own bills to pay.

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