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[jazzgeek]

I also wouldn't make any assumptions about the self-control of all members, especially when someone wants to make a point.

Nice veiled reference to the recently departed (albeit self-indulgent and foolish), terminated with extreme prejudice. :cheers:

The horror!!

Maybe it's the cock-eyed optimist in me that wants to think the best of people. There's a line between "mischief-making" and being downright vile, and I'd like to think that those who frequent this site can make that discretion.

No, really!!! :grin01:

regards,
jazz

 

[Roy Munson]

Nice veiled reference to the recently departed (albeit self-indulgent and foolish), terminated with extreme prejudice. :cheers:

There's probably no way to convince you that I intended no reference, veiled or otherwise. It's an "if the shoe fits" situation, I guess, but I didn't have any single person in mind when I made the comment. I like you as much as I ever have, Dale (a lot), but I'm not going to bother explaining that situation to you. Maybe there's even more to it than you know.

The horror!!

I'm just an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks to collect a bill.

Maybe it's the cock-eyed optimist in me that wants to think the best of people. There's a line between "mischief-making" and being downright vile, and I'd like to think that those who frequent this site can make that discretion.

No, really!!! :grin01:

I'd like to think the best of people too, but I can't reasonably extend that to ALL people. But heck, I really don't care much about this anymore. Let's start the new sub-forum, create a new gray and nebulous line, and hope that everyone stays on our side of it.

 

[jazzgeek]

There's probably no way to convince you that I intended no reference, veiled or otherwise.

Now, y'see, right there you're not thinking the best of me.

If it was mere coincidence, so be it. :shrugs:

I like you as much as I ever have, Dale (a lot), but I'm not going to bother explaining that situation to you. Maybe there's even more to it than you know.

No explanation needed NOR desired; nor am I being an apologist. And I'm SURE there was more to it than I know. I'm familiar with crap-laden PMs. :grin01:

I'd like to think the best of people too, but I can't reasonably extend that to ALL people. But heck, I really don't care much about this anymore.

Aw, Dean. You cared enough to reply.

Let's start the new sub-forum, create a new gray and nebulous line, and hope that everyone stays on our side of it.

As I've previously opined, I don't think it's that gray and nebulous. I'd think that corn enthusiasts, be they neo-conservative or flaming commie pinko liberal, be they Roman Catholic or Pastafarian, won't tolerate something you wouldn't show your mother.

And I've got a 77 year old loving and foul-mouthed Irish mother.

But hey, at least we're on the same side. :cheers:

regards,
jazz

 

[Roy Munson]

Aw, Dean. You cared enough to reply.

Well, I wrote that I don't care much. I guess I cared just enough to reply. :grin01:

As I've previously opined, I don't think it's that gray and nebulous. I'd think that corn enthusiasts, be they neo-conservative or flaming commie pinko liberal, be they Roman Catholic or Pastafarian, won't tolerate something you wouldn't show your mother.

And I've got a 77 year old loving and foul-mouthed Irish mother.

But hey, at least we're on the same side. :cheers:

You may be right. I hope so. Generally, I think you ARE right. I'm not worried about most of the regular, active members here. And if I'm worried about the trolls, well-- they can strike anywhere. Yeah, we're on the same side.

 

[tyflier]

Dean-
I didn't make the moderation comment because I doubt you or the other mods. On the contrary, I want to make this as easy for the 3 of you as possible, and I only thought that if, by chance, you 3 didn't WANT to moderate that forum...it might be easier. What I mean is...I rarely see Mike or Susan involved in the more political discussions. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but, unless they are "called in" by a reported post...I rarely see them comment. I was merely thinking of their right to NOT be involved in such a forum should they choose that. I only thought that a new moderator team specifically FOR the new forum would be more ready and accepting of the position. Afterall...this wasn't a concern when the 3 of you accepted your positions, and I don't think that it should be "forced" on you any more than the discussions should be "forced" on anyone else.

If there was a 2 person team dedicated to keeping order in the adult OT forum, you three would never have to worry about reading something you didn't want to read. Likewise...it would limit personal feelings in making decisions about the topics in there. It seems only reasonable that if Mike or Susan have no desire to participate in anything in that forum, they might react more strongly than someone that has the desire to be there...and very rightfully so. If they(or you) are forced into a situation they deem unacceptable on a personal level, it may be more difficult to moderate fairly on a public level.

The three of you have a right to choose your level of participation just as any of the rest of us do. I just didn't think it would be fair to force a new chapter into your collective novel. Perhaps I am overthinking the situation in that respect, but...:shrugs:...it only seems fair to both you 3, as the fantastic team you make, and the participants. Just my $.02...

As regards your other concerns...I don't really think there is anyone on this forum that would be accepting of graphic, pornographic, obscene, or violent content in ANY forum. Personally, I doubt that there is anyone that would enjoy seeing pictures of *every* piercing on a person's body. I don't think anyone WANTS to read a long, drawn out, Penthouse Forum reply about someone's most recent adventures with their spouse...at least not here, and not in a public forum. This is why I made the statement earlier that using the term "Adult Forum" was not meant, at least by me, to imply anything pornographic or sexual in nature.

What I mean is...I truly think that the majority of people advocating for a new forum are people that genuinely CARE about the forum as a whole, and do not wish to see it turned into a brothel of words, no matter what forum they are reading. "We" merely want a place to have more lively discussion about current events, political debates, religious discussions, human rights(in all areas), and the other controversial topics that abound, without "forcing" other people to participate. A place where a discussion between right-wing and left-wing fundamentalists can be conducted without developing into a 50 page discussion about whether or not it belongs on a cornsnake forum. A place where desertanimal can post her shoutout on Coming Out Day without worrying about how the majority of the general population *might* react to it. A place where someone can vent about a bad day, and use "implied profanity" without offending the sensibilities of the general membership. I don't think anyone wants to open a thread and read about Dale's encounters with his latest redhead...at least not here at CS.com.... I don't think anyone wants to open a topic and see pictures of my piercings...at least, I hope not....

Don't get me wrong...I fully understand your concern. And I appreciate the concerns of others who simply think it is unnecessary, and that such discussions should be left off the board entirely. As far as your concern...I don't think it will be the "free-for-all nightmare" that you are envisioning. For the other concerns...I respectfully disagree, and would appreciate a place to hold these discussions, without "forcing" them on those individuals.

Much like Dale...I prefer to think positively about our general membership, and the individuals interested in a new forum. I highly respect 98% or more of the membership here, and I am very interested in having these sorts of discussions, on a respectful level, with them. On the flip side of that coin, I also highly respect those members that do not want to participate, and would prefer to acknowledge that by having these discussions in a forum where they simply do not have to worry about "surprise topics".

But again...just one person's opinion...FWIW...

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I don't like the idea about an adult only forum or HELL. This is a reptile forum, I like the idea that there is a chit-chat forum so people can talk about stuff other than corns, but I think all we really need is self-control. It's not like a robot came to your house and made you a troll, or made you post inappropriate discussions. You should know better. This is not a forum for those topics, if you want to discuss those things, by all means, create your own forum. We all came to this website to learn and have some fun with other people but sometimes it just gets out of control. Just my opinion.

 

[tyflier]

I do not intend to offend you in any way, BUT...this is the case in point.

You are 13. You shouldn't have any desire to participate in socio-political topics of discussion. You shouldn't have any desire to debate human rights. You shouldn't have any desire to discuss world politics and war. These things are not supposed to interest you. At your age, this TOPIC shouldn't even interest you.

Which is precisely WHY we WANT this type of forum...so you, and others like you with no interest in those topics, don't have to see them or read them. It certainly is easy enough to say, "Those topics don't belong here. Use some self-control", but when someone says, "Those topics belong in a community. If you don't like them don't read them" it becomes a huge ordeal about what is acceptable and what isn't.

The only way, as far as I can see, to satisfy the desires of both sides of this issue is to create a forum specifically for those that DO wish to participate. Those that think it is unnecessary never have to go there. There is a sense of self-control in that issue...we control our posting of serious, debate topics to the Adult forum, you exert self-control by not going there.

It cannot satisfy both sides any other way, as far as I can see. If no adult forum is created, it's going to anger people everytime a political debate is started in the general chit-chat forum. And than there is another 40-some page discussion about why such topics don't belong here. Some people think they DO belong here.

I don't want to go to a different board to have these discussions. I want to have these discussions with my friends, right here, at cs.com. Why should that not be allowed?:shrugs: This is where me and my friends hang out, so why shouldn't be able to talk about the things that interest us beyond cornsnakes?:shrugs:

 

[Roy Munson]

Dean-
I didn't make the moderation comment because I doubt you or the other mods.

I didn't take it that way, Chris.

What I mean is...I truly think that the majority of people advocating for a new forum are people that genuinely CARE about the forum as a whole, and do not wish to see it turned into a brothel of words, no matter what forum they are reading.

I agree completely. Except for Kathy L.. Gotta keep an eye on her.

 

[tyflier]

HAHAHAHA...yea...that Kathy...she sure is a wildcat. Gonna have to watch her closely...:laugh01:

 

[MerlinsPop]

I don't like the idea about an adult only forum or HELL. This is a reptile forum, I like the idea that there is a chit-chat forum so people can talk about stuff other than corns, but I think all we really need is self-control. It's not like a robot came to your house and made you a troll, or made you post inappropriate discussions. You should know better. This is not a forum for those topics, if you want to discuss those things, by all means, create your own forum. We all came to this website to learn and have some fun with other people but sometimes it just gets out of control. Just my opinion.

It's not that simple, though. People are drawn here by the common interest of corn snakes. But, as we all interact with one another we begin to gravitate towards people. I think Jazz has a fantastically sharp wit and brings in a wide span of references that I enjoy. I've gained respect for Nanci, Janine, Rick and many others for their sage advice (even any advice I don't follow, not that I can think of an example at the moment). I grieved with Susan when she made the tough decision to put her dog down, reliving my own memories of doing the same thing. I think I'd like to have a beer with DesertAnimal if I'm ever in her neighborhood. I've grown fond of Jenn and smile every time I see she's posted and notice the "0.0.1 Human Fetus" and look to see the "1" move to the left somewhere). In other words, we become friends, and naturally start to loosen up a little with jokes and inuendo. Most keep it harmless; some push it a bit far (as long as there's a real rack in the picture somewhere, "nice rack" is funny... if there isn't, then it's not funny... I can't remember if there was or wasn't one in the referenced picture, not sure why).

Flip side of that coin is that just as one finds people they like in a place like this, it's also natural to discover people who you just don't like (for whatever reason). It's all too easy to start sniping at people you don't like. This, too, needs a bit of self-restraint, maybe even more because the internet makes it easy to lash out at people.

Sorry for such a long road to come to this conclusion: If it was strictly enforced that all discussions stay only about corn snakes and all comments were heavily monitored, you'd find that this place would become so boring that everyone would leave. There'd be some fantastic fact sheets for newbies to come and read, but no one would stay around after they learned what they needed to do. Rich knows this, as do the mods, which is why their job here is so tough.

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I do not intend to offend you in any way, BUT...this is the case in point.

You are 13. You shouldn't have any desire to participate in socio-political topics of discussion. You shouldn't have any desire to debate human rights. You shouldn't have any desire to discuss world politics and war. These things are not supposed to interest you. At your age, this TOPIC shouldn't even interest you.

Why should these thing not interest me? I see no reason why I should not be interested in politics, why should I not talk about human rights. I think that is just stupid, I have the right to discuss problems in the world and community. Just because I am 13, doesn't mean anything! I think that's bull and, it did offend me because in a way, you're putting me down and other people on this site because of their age. And probably kids that want to do something in the world! But because they "shouldn't" be interest in the world and what's happening they should sit on the couch and play video games. Right?

 

[MerlinsPop]

The only way, as far as I can see, to satisfy the desires of both sides of this issue is to create a forum specifically for those that DO wish to participate. Those that think it is unnecessary never have to go there. There is a sense of self-control in that issue...we control our posting of serious, debate topics to the Adult forum, you exert self-control by not going there.

Oh, they'd go there anyway, just as most people don't want to see blood and gore but can't take their eyes off the accident site as they slowly crawl by...

 

[SnakesRule1234]

It's not that simple, though. People are drawn here by the common interest of corn snakes. But, as we all interact with one another we begin to gravitate towards people. I think Jazz has a fantastically sharp wit and brings in a wide span of references that I enjoy. I've gained respect for Nanci, Janine, Rick and many others for their sage advice (even any advice I don't follow, not that I can think of an example at the moment). I grieved with Susan when she made the tough decision to put her dog down, reliving my own memories of doing the same thing. I think I'd like to have a beer with DesertAnimal if I'm ever in her neighborhood. I've grown fond of Jenn and smile every time I see she's posted and notice the "0.0.1 Human Fetus" and look to see the "1" move to the left somewhere). In other words, we become friends, and naturally start to loosen up a little with jokes and inuendo. Most keep it harmless; some push it a bit far (as long as there's a real rack in the picture somewhere, "nice rack" is funny... if there isn't, then it's not funny... I can't remember if there was or wasn't one in the referenced picture, not sure why).

Flip side of that coin is that just as one finds people they like in a place like this, it's also natural to discover people who you just don't like (for whatever reason). It's all too easy to start sniping at people you don't like. This, too, needs a bit of self-restraint, maybe even more because the internet makes it easy to lash out at people.

Sorry for such a long road to come to this conclusion: If it was strictly enforced that all discussions stay only about corn snakes and all comments were heavily monitored, you'd find that this place would become so boring that everyone would leave. There'd be some fantastic fact sheets for newbies to come and read, but no one would stay around after they learned what they needed to do. Rich knows this, as do the mods, which is why their job here is so tough.

I agree. I also like the ramblings of Jazz and sometimes other actually funny jokes people here make it's just that I think people should control what they say and not go over board. That's all I meant.

 

[MerlinsPop]

Why should these thing not interest me? I see no reason why I should not be interested in politics, why should I not talk about human rights. I think that is just stupid, I have the right to discuss problems in the world and community. Just because I am 13, doesn't mean anything! I think that's bull and, it did offend me because in a way, you're putting me down and other people on this site because of their age. And probably kids that want to do something in the world! But because they "shouldn't" be interest in the world and what's happening they should sit on the couch and play video games. Right?

LOL ... You will only understand what was really meant when it's too late!!

Yes, you have every right to be interested in all those things! Of course you do! What you will only understand later on, is that right now is the only time in your life when you can get away with totally ignoring all those things. I wish I could completely forget about mortgage, work, bills, raising my son, being a good husband, taking out the trash, noticing Merlin get older, slower and deafer, car payments, on and on and on for even a little while. Not to sound creepy, but I love sitting on the edge of my son's bed and watch him sleeping so peacefully, knowing that the only care in his world right now is how many crickets he'll catch tomorrow. I know I won't sleep that sleep any more, but I'm determined to allow him the luxury of it as long as I can give it to him.

Sorry, I digressed! Chris makes a great point that every teen with a curious intellect, as you obviously possess, will dispute vociferously!

Youth really is wasted on the young...

 

[jazzgeek]

I agree. I also like the ramblings of Jazz and sometimes other actually funny jokes people here make it's just that I think people should control what they say and not go over board. That's all I meant.

Ramblings? :grin01:

And if you're looking for control, you can't possibly imagine the number of times I've hit the "back" button on my browser, and the backspace key, as well.

regards,
jazz

 

[SnakesRule1234]

Sorry, I digressed! Chris makes a great point that every teen with a curious intellect, as you obviously possess, will dispute vociferously!

Youth really is wasted on the young...

Well, I'm sorry I care.

 

[jazzgeek]

LOL ... You will only understand what was really meant when it's too late!!

Yes, you have every right to be interested in all those things! Of course you do! What you will only understand later on, is that right now is the only time in your life when you can get away with totally ignoring all those things. I wish I could completely forget about mortgage, work, bills, raising my son, being a good husband, taking out the trash, noticing Merlin get older, slower and deafer, car payments, on and on and on for even a little while. Not to sound creepy, but I love sitting on the edge of my son's bed and watch him sleeping so peacefully, knowing that the only care in his world right now is how many crickets he'll catch tomorrow. I know I won't sleep that sleep any more, but I'm determined to allow him the luxury of it as long as I can give it to him.

Sorry, I digressed! Chris makes a great point that every teen with a curious intellect, as you obviously possess, will dispute vociferously!

Youth really is wasted on the young...

As someone who has 5 years on ya, this was poetry.

regards,
jazz

 

[tyflier]

Why should these thing not interest me? I see no reason why I should not be interested in politics, why should I not talk about human rights. I think that is just stupid, I have the right to discuss problems in the world and community. Just because I am 13, doesn't mean anything! I think that's bull and, it did offend me because in a way, you're putting me down and other people on this site because of their age. And probably kids that want to do something in the world! But because they "shouldn't" be interest in the world and what's happening they should sit on the couch and play video games. Right?

You misunderstand me...

You absolutely have a right to your opinion. You absolutely have the right to be concerned for the future of your world. You absolutely have the right to discuss and opine and exchange opinions on these subjects. But you also have the right to not care. You also have the right to find such discussions "silly" and unnecessary, like so many other people in your age group. IF you take an interest in such topics of discussion...good for you. You show a higher level of maturity than the average 13 year old, and that is commendable.

What I meant was that at 13...generally the interests fall somewhere between social life and Xbox, not socio-political debates. And that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Conversely there is nothing wrong with HAVING an interest in those topics.

However...trust me when I say that your opinions on every socio-political topic WILL change between 13 and 18...and 18-25...and 25-35...ad infinitum. I simply do not see a reason for a 13 year old to be interested in discussing politics or religion with a 35 year old, and vice versa.

I am more "concrete" in my opinions. Not because of my age, but because of my level of experience...which is, of course, partly due to my age. Adults have typically seen and done more things than the average 13-17 year old. This doesn't mean that your opinions are invalid or not welcome. It simply means they are more suited to a discussion with other people of similar experience. Just as my opinions are more suited to discussions with people of similar age to me. I don't see where you and I would have very much common ground upon which to have a reasonable debate about any serious socio-political topic. Even disagreements need a commonality to be successfully debated, and that won't happen between you and I simply because our ages and experience levels create a chasm of difference in our points of view.

Undoubtedly, you will consider me old and jaded, and I will assume you are young and inexperienced. Because both statements are true to a certain extent. I don't have as ideological of a viewpoint as most young people, because I have been jaded by this thing called life. Young people often don't have as realistic a viewpoint as us old farts because they haven't yet personally experienced the trials and woes that we have. It's not a personal thing...it's life. It is what happens to all of us from birth to death. We grow up, grow old, grow calloused, and change our opinions. It is inevitable.

That's not to say you are "lower" than me, or less entitled to your opinion. It's not to say you haven't a RIGHT to your opinion or feelings on these issues. It only means that there isn't a common ground for you and I to have this debate. There isn't a reason for you and I to have similar concerns about the world around us. I can't discuss the rising costs of inflation and how that affects my life and my lifestyle with someone that doesn't have a job or pay rent. That's not an insult, it's a reality. I can't discuss the economic oimpacts of $3.00 a gallon gasoline with someone that doesn't have a driver's license or own a car. That's not personal, it's factual. Certainly, you have a right to an opinion on the matter...but it is not going to be nearly as informed nor realistic as someone that is personally struggling with these issues.

I am not saying that 13 year olds SHOULD sit on the couch and do nothing but play video games. I am saying that the majority of 13 year olds do just that, and it is perfectly acceptable at that age. It is OK for you not to care about these things because you don't have to worry about these things...or at least in a perfect world you WOULDN'T have to worry about these things, because someone else should worrying about them for you.

I don't mean that you haven't a right to your opinion. But do you really think that your opinion is on the same level as that of a 35 year old in these topics? In cornsnake discussions...quite possibly. But really? In socio-political discussions do you really think that the opinion of a 13 or 14 year old is going to be as informed and realistic as that of a 35 or 40 year old?

Seriously think about that for a moment, without allowing it to make you angry. You *should* understand why I feel this way, and how it is not an insult to you...just a reality of life.

 

[MerlinsPop]

Well, I'm sorry I care.

We're not! You're doing great! Just think of this conversation in about 25 years or so when you say the same thing to a bright, curious, teenager yourself and try not to laugh. :rofl:

 

[SnakesRule1234]

You misunderstand me...

You absolutely have a right to your opinion. You absolutely have the right to be concerned for the future of your world. You absolutely have the right to discuss and opine and exchange opinions on these subjects. But you also have the right to not care. You also have the right to find such discussions "silly" and unnecessary, like so many other people in your age group. IF you take an interest in such topics of discussion...good for you. You show a higher level of maturity than the average 13 year old, and that is commendable.

What I meant was that at 13...generally the interests fall somewhere between social life and Xbox, not socio-political debates. And that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Conversely there is nothing wrong with HAVING an interest in those topics.

However...trust me when I say that your opinions on every socio-political topic WILL change between 13 and 18...and 18-25...and 25-35...ad infinitum. I simply do not see a reason for a 13 year old to be interested in discussing politics or religion with a 35 year old, and vice versa.

I am more "concrete" in my opinions. Not because of my age, but because of my level of experience...which is, of course, partly due to my age. Adults have typically seen and done more things than the average 13-17 year old. This doesn't mean that your opinions are invalid or not welcome. It simply means they are more suited to a discussion with other people of similar experience. Just as my opinions are more suited to discussions with people of similar age to me. I don't see where you and I would have very much common ground upon which to have a reasonable debate about any serious socio-political topic. Even disagreements need a commonality to be successfully debated, and that won't happen between you and I simply because our ages and experience levels create a chasm of difference in our points of view.

Undoubtedly, you will consider me old and jaded, and I will assume you are young and inexperienced. Because both statements are true to a certain extent. I don't have as ideological of a viewpoint as most young people, because I have been jaded by this thing called life. Young people often don't have as realistic a viewpoint as us old farts because they haven't yet personally experienced the trials and woes that we have. It's not a personal thing...it's life. It is what happens to all of us from birth to death. We grow up, grow old, grow calloused, and change our opinions. It is inevitable.

That's not to say you are "lower" than me, or less entitled to your opinion. It's not to say you haven't a RIGHT to your opinion or feelings on these issues. It only means that there isn't a common ground for you and I to have this debate. There isn't a reason for you and I to have similar concerns about the world around us. I can't discuss the rising costs of inflation and how that affects my life and my lifestyle with someone that doesn't have a job or pay rent. That's not an insult, it's a reality. I can't discuss the economic oimpacts of $3.00 a gallon gasoline with someone that doesn't have a driver's license or own a car. That's not personal, it's factual. Certainly, you have a right to an opinion on the matter...but it is not going to be nearly as informed nor realistic as someone that is personally struggling with these issues.

I am not saying that 13 year olds SHOULD sit on the couch and do nothing but play video games. I am saying that the majority of 13 year olds do just that, and it is perfectly acceptable at that age. It is OK for you not to care about these things because you don't have to worry about these things...or at least in a perfect world you WOULDN'T have to worry about these things, because someone else should worrying about them for you.

I don't mean that you haven't a right to your opinion. But do you really think that your opinion is on the same level as that of a 35 year old in these topics? In cornsnake discussions...quite possibly. But really? In socio-political discussions do you really think that the opinion of a 13 or 14 year old is going to be as informed and realistic as that of a 35 or 40 year old?

Seriously think about that for a moment, without allowing it to make you angry. You *should* understand why I feel this way, and how it is not an insult to you...just a reality of life.

I understand more of what you meant now. Don't worry, you're not an old fart, my mom is your age so if I called you that I'd be calling my mom that... and this is off topic. Any way, I somewhat agree with you. I guess I'm just more into these things since I expierienced and seen more than the usual kid my age, alot of which I would not want to discuss. so I have a different point of view to alot of discussions.