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Why is every normal an Okeetee or Miami now?

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Roy Munson

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We used to be somewhat vigilant around this site in pointing out that not every normal is an Okeetee or a Miami. If you’re speaking in terms of locality, the vast majority I see labeled that way are neither. In terms of “Phase”, many don't even qualify for that.

I’ve been lazy about addressing it myself, so I include myself among those who’ve relaxed their vigilance. Maybe it doesn’t matter anymore. Those who know cornsnakes know what they’re looking for (and looking at), so maybe the labels don’t matter. Still, I think it’s too bad that ignorant and/or greedy sellers use these labels as a marketing tool without consideration for what the labels really mean.

What do you think?
 
I absolutely agree with you on this. It's pretty much to the point that any of these labels are starting to become meaningless. To add on to the theme, I think hurricane is approaching the same level of overuse as well. Not every motley with a few circles is a hurricane (at least they shouldn't be, IMO).
 
I'm not for supporting it, but business is business. Most people will us every tool at their disposal to sell their product, and if that product's corns, then it will be labled to the extreme.
 
Duff said:
I absolutely agree with you on this. It's pretty much to the point that any of these labels are starting to become meaningless. To add on to the theme, I think hurricane is approaching the same level of overuse as well. Not every motley with a few circles is a hurricane (at least they shouldn't be, IMO).
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Yep, hurricane's a good example too.
 
I don't know, but I suspect some of it is some people coose to call their corn what they want it to be. They have no qualms about calling, a hybrid a whatever het hybrid, or motley/stripe because that's what they want or think. It is hard I would love to say my Normal is Okeetee, she has great black borders and thicker then some Normals I've seen lately labeled as Okeetee. The fact is I got her at Petco, she may not even be full corn?? So I bred her to my Creamsicle that way, I won't be guessing or wishing.:shrugs:
I don't think it is your lack of watching as I've seen you call a few people on things like this lately, but they just don't care. The sad thing is other new owners read these outlandish claims and believe them.
 
This kind of thing has always bugged me. But some people will do anything to sell a corn. When I first got into hobby I bought a 'Cranberry' corn. Later I found out it was just a nice normal. Well the people who care just get pickier about who they buy from and the people who sell things mislabelled will sooner or later get what they deserve, a reputation for being less than honest. In a way it's the price we pay for how popular corn snakes have become...
 
Yep, hurricanes are different. Having a ring around the dorsal blotches is what makes it a hurricane, and other types of corn dont have such a clearly defined ring, so they shouldn't be included in this.
 
patm1313 said:
I'm not for supporting it, but business is business. Most people will us every tool at their disposal to sell their product, and if that product's corns, then it will be labled to the extreme.
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Yes, yes-- that part isn't really a mystery. I understand marketing. I know that the Big Mac I receive won't look like the one in the menu-board photo. :grin01:

My question was more along the lines of "how do you feel about these labels becoming meaningless?" I should have asked the question more directly.
 
patm1313 said:
I'm not for supporting it, but business is business. Most people will us every tool at their disposal to sell their product, and if that product's corns, then it will be labled to the extreme.
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Huh! Only if people are prone to expanding on the truth. Like creamsicle motley.
 
I'm in agreement with you too Dean, you should see some of the labels on corns over here! Hurricane is a really good one, especially when the seller says "no it's not motley, it's a hurricane" because it has two circles on the neck?
Another one I saw, an Anery in blue, labelled as a Lavender, because it turns purple when getting ready to shed?

Admitted this is usually very inexperienced keepers, not breeders and thankfully anyone serious about corns can tell the difference, but it does get really annoying!
 
When I first joined this forum I searched for a strawberry sherbet cornsnake. I never found one, but saw one for sale at a chain store?????
 
patm1313 said:
Yep, hurricanes are different. Having a ring around the dorsal blotches is what makes it a hurricane, and other types of corn dont have such a clearly defined ring, so they shouldn't be included in this.
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Unless I'm very much mistaken, Hurricanes don't have rings around the dorsal blotches....The dorsal blotches join together at the edges which leaves circles of ground colouring.....Which I believe is what the hurricane symbol on weather maps looks like....Someone correct me if I've been getting it wrong?
 
Roy Munson said:
Yes, yes-- that part isn't really a mystery. I understand marketing. I know that the Big Mac I receive won't look like the one in the menu-board photo. :grin01:

My question was more along the lines of "how do you feel about these labels becoming meaningless?" I should have asked the question more directly.
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If only they were like it on the board....

Anyway, to answer your question IMO, I believe that the labels will cycle back, meaning that in another few years, "Normal" won't exist as much as oketee or miami will, and it will cycle back, and normal may become the name for oketees and miami's. I doubt anyone understands this, but think of it like fassion. Example: Soon long dresses will fade out, and they will just be considered normal. But in 20 years, people will change and the long dress wil be back. So basically, it stinks for a while because normal isnt the same normal, but then it comes back again, and things will be all right, with oketees being oketees and miami's being miami's.
 
Susielea said:
Unless I'm very much mistaken, Hurricanes don't have rings around the dorsal blotches....The dorsal blotches join together at the edges which leaves circles of ground colouring.....Which I believe is what the hurricane symbol on weather maps looks like....Someone correct me if I've been getting it wrong?
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IDK, i've looked up several different discriptions, the hurricane one may have been my interepretation from either kathy love or don soderburg's book.
 
susang said:
When I first joined this forum I searched for a strawberry sherbet cornsnake. I never found one, but saw one for sale at a chain store?????
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Yep that's business. Chances are is that you'll never see that name unless you make it yourself.
 
patm1313 said:
Yep that's business. Chances are is that you'll never see that name unless you make it yourself.
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If this is your opinion of breeding and selling cornsnakes this is why we have names which don't reflect the cornsnake itself or are just made to up to "sell". If you are the future of cornsnakes that is very sad.
 
Most people don't know the difference between normal and a Miami if it even bite them on the butt.. Lordy, I just love the irony.. *LOL* I know what Dean, the OP, is getting across..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
patm1313 said:
If only they were like it on the board....

Anyway, to answer your question IMO, I believe that the labels will cycle back, meaning that in another few years, "Normal" won't exist as much as oketee or miami will, and it will cycle back, and normal may become the name for oketees and miami's. I doubt anyone understands this, but think of it like fassion. Example: Soon long dresses will fade out, and they will just be considered normal. But in 20 years, people will change and the long dress wil be back. So basically, it stinks for a while because normal isnt the same normal, but then it comes back again, and things will be all right, with oketees being oketees and miami's being miami's.
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I'm sure quite a few of us do understand the vagaries of fashion
 
Actually, this has been annoying me for some time now. Along the same lines, any corn which is homo for diffused is NOT a bloodred, an amel is not a reverse okeetee, and every snake with reduced white is not a sunglow.

I never thought I'd say this, but maybe we need to complain more? :sidestep:
 
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