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But science cannot prove a negative...so technically, the supernatural can never be disproved....it can only be proven or remain in the shadow of skepticism and speculation. This is important for both the believer and the non-believer to remember.

Science CAN disprove. In fact, that's practically the basis for what is or isn't science. If there's no way to disprove something, then it's outside of science's scope. I don't think too many non-believers lose sight of the fact that the supernatural/paranormal is outside of science's scope.

Humans have always had the tendency to fill the gaps in our understanding with gods or supernatural forces and entities. But these gaps have become more and more narrow and less and less numerous. We're never going to be able to identify "first cause", but if science ends up filling most of the gaps sufficiently far back, then it's not unreasonable to presume that there just might not be a gap for a god/supernatural force to fill at any point. :shrugs:
 
Are you saying that the BBT is classed as natural science? Or was it just a general statement, only because both are incorrect. Natural science is understood, and is much more assured and definitive than say quantum or cosmology.

It was a general statement.

I'm no cosmologist, physicist, or scientist of any kind. Neither are you. So the two of us going back and forth on the validity of scientific theories that neither of us has the background to comprehend seems pointless. We could spend all night posting links, but it wouldn't really matter. I WILL say that I believe that I have a better understanding of what science IS than you do. I don't write that to elevate myself or put you down-- but I've seen you make some statements that make me question your understanding of what science is, what its purpose is, and what its goals are. For that reason among others, scientific debates between us would be of little value to anyone. :shrugs:

I agree with you on this, so you're right, let's put this "debate" to rest. You have the right to your opinion and belief, and so do I.
 
Lets be honest, If it really could bring evil spirits into your home do you really think you'd be able to pop down to toys'r'us and pick one up from the same shelf as monopoly?.

Tell you what, I'll make myself one tomorrow and post the results back on here. Appologies if the next post you see from me breaks any rules, Obviously it was the spirits. If i can persuade my missus to be in the same room when i do it, i'll even video it and post it up.
 
Oh, and forgot to mention - Given that in recent years members of my family have died suddenly, under suspicious circumstances, my partners father was a murder victim and last year a friend of mine died suddenly in a car accident and i live around the corner from the site of the moors murderers - There should be quite a few unsettled spirits around just waiting to jump into my slightly podgy body and wreak some havoc in British suburbia!.

Or maybe, just maybe nothing will happen and ill just end up binning it and cracking open a nice frothy tall boy.
 
Geez, AJ, that's pretty brave of you to put yourself on the line for the sake of research.
I think maybe spirits are in order tonight, I'm going to have a bourbon and water. Wait, maybe I should consult my mystical magical spooky ooky paperboard thingy first.
 
Lets be honest, If it really could bring evil spirits into your home do you really think you'd be able to pop down to toys'r'us and pick one up from the same shelf as monopoly?.

Tell you what, I'll make myself one tomorrow and post the results back on here. Appologies if the next post you see from me breaks any rules, Obviously it was the spirits. If i can persuade my missus to be in the same room when i do it, i'll even video it and post it up.

I can't wait to see the results. Better you than me.
You should videotape it...or sumtin.
 
I can't wait to see the results. Better you than me.
You should videotape it...or sumtin.
If it could be captured on videotape, then it wouldn't be supernatural. It would just be natural. And since none of the b.s, delusional, woo-woo crap has ever been empirically documented, I wouldn't expect A.J.'s results to be any different. You really should give up your juvenile belief in this bull, Paulina. You seem like a smart girl in general. This crap is for ignorant idiots who don't have the critical thinking skills to see beyond what they wish, wish, wish to be true. You're better than that. Don't fall for it.
 
Sorry but no. I can stop arguing about it but I will always believe in the supernatural unless I'm proven wrong. From my experiences, it would take alot.
But can you explain, to me, how if it's captured on videotape it's not supernatural? I know that strange "things" have been captured on tape, be it an evp or video.
 
Sorry but no. I can stop arguing about it but I will always believe in the supernatural unless I'm proven wrong. From my experiences, it would take alot.
What experiences? Can you separate what you THINK you've experienced from what you HAVE experienced? I didn't think so.

But can you explain, to me, how if it's captured on videotape it's not supernatural? I know that strange "things" have been captured on tape, be it an evp or video.
A video recording machine (be it digital, tape, or whatever) can only capture photons of light onto some sort of physical medium. That's physical and natural. "Unexplained" does not equal "supernatural". All of that "ghost hunter" crap is bullsh(t, and a huge waste of time, especially yours. Aren't there enough fascinating real mysteries to ponder? Why waste your time on these woo-woo scammers and evidence-less weirdos? They want you to buy (literally) into their crap. I want you to be a critical-thinker. I have nothing to gain. I want you to be the best, most objective and discriminating person you can be. They want you to buy their next stupid book, or watch their next stupid program, or call their next stupid hotline. You're not on track to become a scientist of any kind, and that's how they want it. I want you to be a great scientist. That's beyond me now, but I still have hope for you. Leave this cruddy, muddy, stupid, pointless, evidence-less junk behind.
 
If it could be captured on videotape, then it wouldn't be supernatural. It would just be natural. And since none of the b.s, delusional, woo-woo crap has ever been empirically documented, I wouldn't expect A.J.'s results to be any different. You really should give up your juvenile belief in this bull, Paulina. You seem like a smart girl in general. This crap is for ignorant idiots who don't have the critical thinking skills to see beyond what they wish, wish, wish to be true. You're better than that. Don't fall for it.

I agree. The whole point of the board is the idea that someone moves the thing. That's why you cant do it by yourself or with another person. Then you would know who was moving it. With several people you can deny it. Now, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in all of this soul talk.
 
I agree. The whole point of the board is the idea that someone moves the thing. That's why you cant do it by yourself or with another person. Then you would know who was moving it. With several people you can deny it. Now, I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in all of this soul talk.
Actually, you CAN do it by yourself. The ideomotor effect isn't limited to groups. I have more Ouija experience than I'd like to admit. I was a pretty "talented" "medium" all by myself when I was an impressionable, silly youngster. And I was an atheist then too. Of course, God wasn't cool, so I denied HIM while allowing for even sillier imaginary entities at the time. But heck, I was a stupid kid who was influenced by stupid people and their stupid ideas. It took some time before I learned to think objectively, and for myself...
 
Actually, you CAN do it by yourself. The ideomotor effect isn't limited to groups. I have more Ouija experience than I'd like to admit. I was a pretty "talented" "medium" all by myself when I was an impressionable, silly youngster. And I was an atheist then too. Of course, God wasn't cool, so I denied HIM while allowing for even sillier imaginary entities at the time. But heck, I was a stupid kid who was influenced by stupid people and their stupid ideas. It took some time before I learned to think objectively, and for myself...

You've brought this whole discussion back to its roots now, Dean. :)

I'm sure Paulina will figure this out on her own eventually, just as you did. Did you have people telling you what you were doing was silly and stupid? Besides, look at it this way. Even if she doesn't change her mind on all of this stuff, it doesn't mean she can't become a valued or a sucessful member of society.
 
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THE DAY OF RECKONING IS UPON ME!

Tonight at 9PM (Its 13:26 right now!) I shall do the fabled ouijia board of doom and bring forth all the horrible icky spirits. Not managed to persuade karina to video it for me yet, But theres still time for that.

I wonder who i'll get?? I hope its John Paul Larkin i want to find out how he maintains that most awesome moustache.
 
If Karina wont video it, ask a friend to come over and video it. The thing that spoiled the super-natural for me was the amount of fake pictures and videos on TV and the Internet, some of them are very well edited photos/videos, some you can tel have been done on photo-shop in 5 Min's.
 
And I was an atheist then too. Of course, God wasn't cool, so I denied HIM while allowing for even sillier imaginary entities at the time. But heck, I was a stupid kid who was influenced by stupid people and their stupid ideas. It took some time before I learned to think objectively, and for myself...

If you don't mind me asking, why did you become an atheist, and how did you find god?

I became an atheist the same way as shown in my sig.
 
If you don't mind me asking, why did you become an atheist, and how did you find god?

I became an atheist the same way as shown in my sig.

I've always been an atheist, Pat. I'm still an atheist. All I was trying to say is that it was easier for me to reject the Christian god as a kid, because he didn't seem "cool" to me. But as a fantasy-loving, D&D playing youngster, I found the idea of other supernatural entities (e.g., demons, ghosts, spirits) to be a much "cooler" concept. I don't know if I ever really believed in them either, but I was more willing to entertain the idea. Later, after I had developed some critical thinking skills, I realized that I couldn't even try to believe in anything for which there wasn't convincing evidence.

I actually believed in Santa Claus for longer than I probably should have. The reason? I had been given a certain body of evidence. First of all, he left presents on X-mas morning. But mostly it was because of a stunt my Dad and his brother played on me when I was about five years old. I still remember the event very clearly. My father called me over to the window and told me to look up in the sky. There was Rudolph's red nose blinking in the sky as Santa's sleigh passed over. I could even hear the sleigh bells. Of course, it was just a jetliner, and my uncle was outside under the window shaking some ornamental bells. But I didn't know that. I was convinced! But within a couple of years, I became adept enough at handwriting analysis to identify my Mom's handwriting on the packages from Santa. I'd also become more aware of what a jet passing over at night looked like. Then there was the "stakeout" where I saw my parents laying everything out Xmas eve. Very disappointing. :( :grin01:
 
I've always been an atheist, Pat. I'm still an atheist. All I was trying to say is that it was easier for me to reject the Christian god as a kid, because he didn't seem "cool" to me. But as a fantasy-loving, D&D playing youngster, I found the idea of other supernatural entities (e.g., demons, ghosts, spirits) to be a much "cooler" concept. I don't know if I ever really believed in them either, but I was more willing to entertain the idea. Later, after I had developed some critical thinking skills, I realized that I couldn't even try to believe in anything for which there wasn't convincing evidence.

I actually believed in Santa Claus for longer than I probably should have. The reason? I had been given a certain body of evidence. First of all, he left presents on X-mas morning. But mostly it was because of a stunt my Dad and his brother played on me when I was about five years old. I still remember the event very clearly. My father called me over to the window and told me to look up in the sky. There was Rudolph's red nose blinking in the sky as Santa's sleigh passed over. I could even hear the sleigh bells. Of course, it was just a jetliner, and my uncle was outside under the window shaking some ornamental bells. But I didn't know that. I was convinced! But within a couple of years, I became adept enough at handwriting analysis to identify my Mom's handwriting on the packages from Santa. I'd also become more aware of what a jet passing over at night looked like. Then there was the "stakeout" where I saw my parents laying everything out Xmas eve. Very disappointing. :( :grin01:

LOL. You know, it's sad how far parents will go to deceive their own children. I've never quite understand the logic behind it. My parents told me right from the start that Santa was imaginary, even though we still played the game of leaving cookies out for him (aka my dad) and writing "from Santa" on different gifts. It was our own way of making fun of the kids I went to school with who still believed in Santa. :blowhead:
 
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