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okeetee or normal?

sandybunny

sandybunny

Bigger house=more snakes!
Hi guys, last year I bought this girl as an okeetee, but now I'm thinking she may be a normal. I'm not very good with morphs, so what do ya'll think? I started wondering about it, so I knew where to come to get an answer. Thanks.


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She does not look to me like an Okeetee phase, not bright enough colour and the borders aren't there. Unless she's a locality specimen from the Okeetee area, I would call her a lovely normal cornsnake.
 
I seriously doubt she is locality, unless somebody didn't know what they had. :) I bought her at a local pet store that specializes in reptiles, but I don't consider them morph experts. She is a fun snake to own, nice and feisty. Thanks.
 
Looks like a normal. But then again an okeetee is normal. :sidestep:

But...it does not look like an okeetee phase...maybe it's het? :sidestep:





Okay...enough silliness. Okeetee is a phase that is usually attributed to wide, black borders and is not connected to any recessive genes. Your snake does not look like it would fit the common definition of okeetee.
 
It all depends, where'd you get her from? Even the best lines of Okeetee's can throw a "C" grade baby now and again. And everyone has their own "minds eye" view of makes an Okeetee an "Okeetee" too. Pretty snake :*)
 
MohrSnakes said:
Looks like a normal. But then again an okeetee is normal. :sidestep:

But...it does not look like an okeetee phase...maybe it's het? :sidestep:





Okay...enough silliness. Okeetee is a phase that is usually attributed to wide, black borders and is not connected to any recessive genes. Your snake does not look like it would fit the common definition of okeetee.
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OK, so are you saying a normal can be het okeetee phase? I'm just now trying to scratch the surface on genetics? ;)
 
cka said:
It all depends, where'd you get her from? Even the best lines of Okeetee's can throw a "C" grade baby now and again. And everyone has their own "minds eye" view of makes an Okeetee an "Okeetee" too. Pretty snake :*)
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How do you know if that's the case? Breed and find out? I don't think I can find out where she came from. :awcrap:

Thanks, I think she's pretty too. ;)
 
sandybunny said:
OK, so are you saying a normal can be het okeetee phase? I'm just now trying to scratch the surface on genetics? ;)
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NOPE!

Sorry for the confusion! I was kidding around. My bad. :awcrap:

Okeetee is a phase. Miami is a phase. The "phases" are a look to the animal and in no way are genetically based like amel or anery. Technically, okeetee is a phase of a normal corn. Phases are not genetically based with genes like amel or anery and therefore it is more of a line bred thing.

If you breed an okeetee to anything you do not get het for okeetee's. You may get some offspring to resemble the look of an okeetee and some won't, but that is not because a recessive gene is present.

I hope I cleared up the confusion I caused by my silliness.
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Whether it truly is an Okeetee (stemming from Okeetee parents), or not,...
Your snake looks like a Classic/Normal.
It lacks the wide borders, and such, for an Okeetee phase.

It does not quite look it, to me, but (with variability in mind and considering that one of my Locality Okeetees, an F-2, does not quite fit all the "physical criteria" ;) ) the other possibility would be a Locality Okeetee. However, unless the breeder ~knows~, and has stated so, (or better yet, it can be traced) it is not likely that your snake is a Locality Okeetee.

Another possibility which may, or may not, be the case with your snake ...
An unfortunate thing, that does occur, is that there are breeders/sellers who will sell Classic/Normal cornsnakes under the name "Okeetee" (when they are not). This can be rather misleading and a cause for confusion.
 
Pasodama said:
With this being the case, I would just say that your snake is a Classic/Normal.
A nice looking one I might add.:)
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Just a normal, eh?

There is this guy that lives in upstate, SC that breeds a few cornsnakes and sometimes sells some nicer ones to the local pet stores. Just something I heard through the grapevine......
 
Pasodama said:
Another possibility which may, or may not, be the case with your snake ...
An unfortunate thing, that does occur, is that there are breeders/sellers who will sell Classic/Normal cornsnakes under the name "Okeetee" (when they are not). This can be rather misleading and a cause for confusion.
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This is probably the case. I was getting the feeling that she was a classic/normal. When I first bought her as a hatchling, she did have the dark thicker borders and I did think she was okeetee phase. (Thanks Jeff, I now understand "phases" more)
As she has matured, the borders have gotten thinner and not as pronounced. So, I did start to scratch my head a bit and wonder.
I guess it's possible she is from locality parents, but that probably isn't the case and there's no way to trace her breeder.

Thanks everyone, this has been educational. I forgot to add, her name is Okeetee. I can't change that. :)
 
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MohrSnakes said:
Just a normal, eh?
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Nope, didn't say that it was "just a Normal". I said, "I would just say".

MohrSnakes said:
There is this guy that lives in upstate, SC that breeds a few cornsnakes and sometimes sells some nicer ones to the local pet stores. Just something I heard through the grapevine......
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Hmmmm... wonder who that could be ;) ... and if I could figure out which pet store it is whenever some of those "normals" go into it.;)
'Course, that would make for a long trip.:eek:
 
MohrSnakes said:
Just a normal, eh?

There is this guy that lives in upstate, SC that breeds a few cornsnakes and sometimes sells some nicer ones to the local pet stores. Just something I heard through the grapevine......
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Oh really Jeff, which stores would that be, hmm? Any in Spartanburg county?? ;)
 
sandybunny said:
OK then, the next time you come to Spartanburg county just bring them to my house. I'll take much better care of your "just normals" than any pet store. :cheers:
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If you want them that bad you need to stop by my tables at one of the SC shows! ;) I always have some fun project animals for sale.

sandybunny said:
Thanks, I'll keep her. It would be interesting to breed her to see what I get.
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If it was one that came from me...it will definitely be interesting. I don't think I've produced a normal normal for years. :sidestep:
 
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