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Hookup #2! Dumerils boas

RobbiesCornField

RobbiesCornField

Bring it on.
I've been waiting and waiting and waiting for these two to hookup! They hooked up on 2/17, but I didn't get any photo evidence. Today, that all changed. The pictures fuzzy, but that's just because I didn't want to disturb them too much.

Sire (Marquis de Sade)

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Dam (Marquesa)

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The happy couple.

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Thanks for looking!


EDIT: Observed/Confirmed hookup dates- 2/17, 2/20, 2/24
 
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Iguanagirl8662 said:
Great looking pair, congrats on hook up # 2!
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Thanks!

snakewispera snr said:
Nice one Rob...... Do you have to have A10 papers for those in the states, as they are CITES?
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Nope. This pair was CB, and purchased in a pet store. If memory serves me correctly, the ones you do have to have papers for are the Madagascar Ground boas due to their endangered status. They're close cousins of the Dumerils, though.
 
RobbiesCornField said:
Thanks!



Nope. This pair was CB, and purchased in a pet store. If memory serves me correctly, the ones you do have to have papers for are the Madagascar Ground boas due to their endangered status. They're close cousins of the Dumerils, though.
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No Dumerils are CITES.... We have to have A10 papers and the snakes chipped before they can be sold.... And due to them being CITES they are all CB.... A shop by me had a few confiscated as they had no papers so they couldn't prove where they came from....
 
snakewispera snr said:
No Dumerils are CITES.... We have to have A10 papers and the snakes chipped before they can be sold.... And due to them being CITES they are all CB.... A shop by me had a few confiscated as they had no papers so they couldn't prove where they came from....
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Huh... Well, the pet store I got 'em from didn't mention anything. I'm checking out www.cites.org right now.
 
Congrats on the hookup Robbie!! There seems to be some major love going on at your place these days!!
 
RobbiesCornField said:
I see! LOL.

They were both pet store purchases, and didn't come with any paperwork, though, and I have yet to hear of anyone having issues with them Stateside.
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Maybe it's just the UK that requires you to have paperwork for CITES animals...
My mate breeds Dumerils and every year he has to chip each snake and get A10's ready before he can sell any....
Most buyers don't know about the regulations, but trading standards do:devil01:
 
snakewispera snr said:
Maybe it's just the UK that requires you to have paperwork for CITES animals...
My mate breeds Dumerils and every year he has to chip each snake and get A10's ready before he can sell any....
Most buyers don't know about the regulations, but trading standards do:devil01:
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That could be. The only animals the States really cares about (as bad as that sounds) are the native species.
 
Congrats robbie...cant wait for the litter pics. Have you spotted ovulation??as far as I know dumerils in the usa should need cites paperwork.

My trio have there papers and microchips and had to have them or i would be breaking the law in buying them if they did not.

I should hopefully be breeding them next year and will be gone loopy in the head from paperwork and chipping the hatchlings lol.

Try emailing your local parks and wildlife authority rob they should steer you in the right direction.

P.S. mike could you pm me which of your friends breeds the dumerils as im on the look out for another female. my trio is 2.1 and would like to make 2.2 unrelated.

the breeders mine are from are Phil draper of ecorep, jerry cole from reptile keeping and jamie wood (dont know if he has a site )

Noel
 
Maybe this can help shed some light on the situation.


RobbiesCornField said:
At this past Daytona show, I saw that you had a pair of Dumerils for sale. I have a pair that I'm breeding this year, and now a friend from the UK is telling me I have to get CITES papers. Did you have to get anything like an A10 CITES paper with yours? I'm just very confused, because I hadn't ever heard of this before, and I thought CITES was only for importing/exporting out of the country.

Thanks in advance,
~Robbie
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kathylove said:
Yes, CITES is for import / export. If your friend imported them into the UK, he /she would have gotten CITES papers. For transport WITHIN the US, CITES is not needed.

The confusion in this country is that if an animal is ALSO on the US Endangered Species List (Dumeril's are not, as far as I know, although other non-native species ARE on the list), then special permits would be needed for transport across state lines. But that list has nothing to do with CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species). Even its name is international.

But import or export of any CITES animals can be a real pain. All boas are CITES, so you would need papers to export any of your babies, if you wanted to do so.

Hope that helps! Even Fish and Wildlife agents get confused by the multitude of local, state, and federal regs, if that is any consolation, lol!

Kathy Love
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The A10 paper work is to prove that the CITES animal is captive bred.... In the UK any CITES animal has to have it or trade is illegal.... It costs £20 per animal with a chip thrown in......
I know this is fact.... As CITES is international I would of thought it counted across the board......
After all how can you prove your endangered species isn't from the wild, without any proof...
 
snakewispera snr said:
The A10 paper work is to prove that the CITES animal is captive bred.... In the UK any CITES animal has to have it or trade is illegal.... It costs £20 per animal with a chip thrown in......
I know this is fact.... As CITES is international I would of thought it counted across the board......
After all how can you prove your endangered species isn't from the wild, without any proof...
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I honestly had never heard of needing CITES paperwork in the US unless you planned on exporting. I guess in Europe, it's because the country borders are so much closer, so you might be selling to someone who's only taking a day trip to the country.
 
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