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yet another fine example

a great example of how they are going to drive this country into the ground with there overspending! The constitution clearly states that they have no right to get into health care. But it seems like they are just throwing out the constitution now days. Soon we will be socialist and bankrupt, and I have no idea how people are so hypnotized by obama. But just take a look at his approval ratings.. it looks like people are starting to come to there senses one by one.. I think I am going to go look at Obama's birth certificate. Oh wait. I CANT. Did you know that his certificate of live birth that he is waving around is not his legal birth certificate? In the period when he was born anyone could acquire a certificate of live birth in hawaii. All they had to do was submit a forum and forge a signature and say that he was born at home. They didn't need a whiteness or a mid-wife. Now the real thing that would do something is to let us see the long birth certificate. But Obama won't release it. Why doesn't he just release it? There is something in there that he doesn't want us to know... Oh, and nobody saw his mother on the islands of Hawaii for a year and a half. Obama's birth date falls in that period.
 
I'm glad my mom hopped on this before the money ran out. She so deserves her new Prius!
 
I think I am going to go look at Obama's birth certificate. Oh wait. I CANT. Did you know that his certificate of live birth that he is waving around is not his legal birth certificate? In the period when he was born anyone could acquire a certificate of live birth in hawaii. All they had to do was submit a forum and forge a signature and say that he was born at home.

Are we debating the fact that his mother is a US citizen? He is a citizen by birth right, no matter what.

Not that this is at all relavent... I am just tired of hearing about his lack of birth certificate. Guess what? Tara can't produce hers either because it's locked in her parents safety deposit box and they lost the key. Does that mean she's not a citizen either?

Back to your regularly scheduled programming, boys and girls. :laugh:
 
I think I am going to go look at Obama's birth certificate. Oh wait. I CANT. Did you know that his certificate of live birth that he is waving around is not his legal birth certificate?
It's on that UFO with JFK and about a hundred conspiracy theorists/revisionists.:laugh:
 
a great example of how they are going to drive this country into the ground with there overspending! The constitution clearly states that they have no right to get into health care. But it seems like they are just throwing out the constitution now days. Soon we will be socialist and bankrupt, and I have no idea how people are so hypnotized by obama. But just take a look at his approval ratings.. it looks like people are starting to come to there senses one by one..
"come to their senses". All politicians lose ground in the approval ratings; especially those who actually do things. Heaven forbid he makes big changes in this country. We've been doing so well these past few years, too!. I mean "socialist", "bankrupt", "hypnotized"?. Try "propaganda"!. You weren't running out to protest Iraq or Afghanistan, but you'll fight to the death when someone tackles health-care. Clearly our idea's on what the REAL America is, or should be, are totally different. Then again how can I tell after being "hypnotized" by Barack the magnificent!.

I think I am going to go look at Obama's birth certificate. Oh wait. I CANT. Did you know that his certificate of live birth that he is waving around is not his legal birth certificate? In the period when he was born anyone could acquire a certificate of live birth in hawaii. All they had to do was submit a forum and forge a signature and say that he was born at home. They didn't need a whiteness or a mid-wife. Now the real thing that would do something is to let us see the long birth certificate. But Obama won't release it. Why doesn't he just release it? There is something in there that he doesn't want us to know... Oh, and nobody saw his mother on the islands of Hawaii for a year and a half. Obama's birth date falls in that period.
Seriously?. This is just ridiculous!. Word of advice; throw out your limited edition DVD of "Manchurian Candidate", along with every other bit of fiction that's obviously being absorbed WAY to deeply. Idea's like these shouldn't even find their way into your consciousness, because it's counter-productive to even your own American dream. Why would Barack Obama be any less than what he shows, and why do you obsess over him particularly?. He's our president, as voted by the majority. We elected him, and we trust him. He's not some snake charmer working his magic on "blind supporters". Criticisms like that have their short-comings, and I hope you come to your senses!
 
"come to their senses". We've been doing so well these past few years, too!. I mean "socialist", "bankrupt", "hypnotized"?. Try "propaganda"!.
How is it propaganda?? In the direction were heading we will be deep in the debt hole, everything is controlled by the government, and we listen to whatever a democrat says because conservatives are the "big bad wolves out to get your money.."

You weren't running out to protest Iraq or Afghanistan, but you'll fight to the death when someone tackles health-care. Clearly our idea's on what the REAL America is, or should be, are totally different. Then again how can I tell after being "hypnotized" by Barack the magnificent!.

Seriously?. This is just ridiculous!
This is just like the flag debate. go ahead and insult me. I don't care.

Word of advice; throw out your limited edition DVD of "Manchurian Candidate", along with every other bit of fiction that's obviously being absorbed WAY to deeply.
I have no idea what manchurian candidate is, and how is any of this fiction? Its happening right around us. I am not just going to stand by as my freedoms are destroyed!

Idea's like these shouldn't even find their way into your consciousness, because it's counter-productive to even your own American dream.
No its not. my american dream is to have my freedoms that were given me under the constitution.

Why would Barack Obama be any less than what he shows, and why do you obsess over him particularly?
Because he is the leader of the socialist takeover. and no, i don't mean that in a conspiratory term.

He's our president, as voted by the majority
That is true. But we have to ask ourselves, who was that majority? Who was it made up of?

We elected him, and we trust him
You did elect him. But many people out here do not trust him.


He's not some snake charmer working his magic on "blind supporters".
Well with some of the people I have talked to it sure seems like it. Some of the people i have talk to blindly follow him with no reason for doing so. When I ask them why, they can't give me a strait answer. Another example is the obama youth videos. Its just creepy seeing these kids praising him.. Then all of this obamaman is going to save the world crap..


Criticisms like that have their short-comings, and I hope you come to your senses!

And what are the short-comings? i suppose now you will start bashing me and calling me an idiot and a blotch on society.

Are we debating the fact that his mother is a US citizen?

Uh, no????

He is a citizen by birth right, no matter what.
Not if he wasn't born in the us, which he has no solid evidence that he has released to show that he is..

Not that this is at all relavent...
Yeah it is.. The constitution states that a president has to be a us citizen by birth.

I am just tired of hearing about his lack of birth certificate.
Why? I want to know if he is even eligible to be the president!
And if he was born in the us he would have a birth certificate so he wouldn't "lack" one. If there really is one that says born in hawaii on it he won't let the state release it.

Tara can't produce hers either because it's locked in her parents safety deposit box and they lost the key. Does that mean she's not a citizen either?
There is a big difference between losing it and not releasing it. He has it, but he just doesn't want to release it. Why would he not release it if there was something on it that he didn't want us to see?

It's on that UFO with JFK and about a hundred conspiracy theorists/revisionists.
Oh come on quit joking around this is a matter of if he is our president or not.. Its no conspiracy. He could make this all end by just releasing it. But there must be something he doesn't want anyone to see, as what I said before.

Does anyone even know what the health plan is well enough to suggest it's bad?

The fact that there IS a health care plan is bad. The constitution states that the government has no place in controlling health care. Just look at the disaster in Canada!!

Yay, i'm done with all the copying and pasting and quote wrapping! :dancer:
 
This Obama birth certificate issue is a dead horse...DEAD! DONE! KAPUT!. If you truly believe the naysayers then you are indeed a conspiracy theorist. Move on to some more important issues.

One of many sources ( I'm not doing any more homework for you though as I believe you won't be happy until you can go back in time and witness his birth yourself!)
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
 
Not if he wasn't born in the us, which he has no solid evidence that he has released to show that he is..

Yeah it is.. The constitution states that a president has to be a us citizen by birth.

Why? I want to know if he is even eligible to be the president!
And if he was born in the us he would have a birth certificate so he wouldn't "lack" one. If there really is one that says born in hawaii on it he won't let the state release it.

There is a big difference between losing it and not releasing it. He has it, but he just doesn't want to release it. Why would he not release it if there was something on it that he didn't want us to see?

No child left behind sure is working on this one....

He was born in Hawaii to a US citizen, his mother. Even if she had NOT been a US citizen, he would still be one, because he was born IN HAWAII! This is the reason why so many immigrants from Mexico and Cuba try to get here before the birth of their child... because that child is then a citizen of the United States.

Go back and take government again. Clearly it didn't take the first time.

If you truly believe the naysayers then you are indeed a conspiracy theorist. Move on to some more important issues.

He is not a naysayer... he is just sixteen and spouting off his parents rhetoric.
 
He was born in Hawaii
he has no evidence of that

Even if she had NOT been a US citizen, he would still be one, because he was born IN HAWAII!
Again, he has no proof he was.

This Obama birth certificate issue is a dead horse...DEAD! DONE! KAPUT!
Why? he has not released his real birth certificate. The one he posted on his website is his certificate of live birth. There is a big difference between the two!!

That is all for now.
 
They can't even run a 4 month program with a $1 billion dollar budget. How in the world does anyone believe they can run something as massive as healthcare!!! :shrugs::shrugs::sidestep:

You can disagree with the new health care proposal all you want, I have no qualms with that. But I don't know how you can equate the cash for clunkers program with the healthcare plan. One is designed to stimulate people to buy cars (and seems to be working, if not too well)...the other is designed to attempt to change the healthcare system.I find the cash for clunkers program similar to the new home buyers credit. Basically a tax credit. What I DO agree with...is that in some cases the stimulus money should have been handled/allocated differently to be more effective.

I guess what I mean is if you think the healthcare program is going to fail and lose money based on the way it is designed and set up and regulated, etc.. then that is your prerogative. But to say healthcare is going to fail and lose money based on the cash for clunkers program doesn't make sense to me. The cash for clunkers program by definition means the government will be spending money.

The only thing I've been thinking about is maybe they should have made the cash for clunkers applicable to only american car purchases. I'd think that might help the american economy more. Though I know there are foreign factories in america too. :shrugs: I admittedly don't know much about the car industry.

As far as the birth certificate hoopla...I'd have to agree with the dead horse philosophy.
 
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You can disagree with the new health care proposal all you want, I have no qualms with that. But I don't know how you can equate the cash for clunkers program with the healthcare plan. One is designed to stimulate people to buy cars (and seems to be working, if not too well)...the other is designed to attempt to change the healthcare system.I find the cash for clunkers program similar to the new home buyers credit. Basically a tax credit. What I DO agree with...is that in some cases the stimulus money should have been handled/allocated differently to be more effective.

I guess what I mean is if you think the healthcare program is going to fail and lose money based on the way it is designed and set up and regulated, etc.. then that is your prerogative. But to say healthcare is going to fail and lose money based on the cash for clunkers program doesn't make sense to me. The cash for clunkers program by definition means the government will be spending money.

The only thing I've been thinking about is maybe they should have made the cash for clunkers applicable to only american car purchases. I'd think that might help the american economy more. Though I know there are foreign factories in america too. :shrugs: I admittedly don't know much about the car industry.

As far as the birth certificate hoopla...I'd have to agree with the dead horse philosophy.
Actually my point had little to do with either system per say. I simply have a hard time believing the gov can run it and do a good job. The cars for clunkers is yet another example. They allotted $1 billion and set up a system to track it. The system has failed miserably. At best estimates there have been 250,000ish transactions of which only 20,000ish have been confirmed and approved. The computers are down more than up. Dealers are having folks trying to input data in the 1am to 4am time frame hoping they can get it done. It was under funded and they scrambled to triple the original funding. After the system was started the eligibility requirements were changed by the EPA adding to the chaos. Basically near nothing went right. If you want a closer example try social security's mismanagement. Near bankrupt and borrowed from for any pet project our elected officials deem necessary to bolster their re-election or pay off favors from the last. An entire segment of the legal system has arose to deal with SS. :shrugs:

It's all just my opinion but if my personal fund manager performed like our gov I would have either fired him very quickly or be enjoying bankruptcy. :rofl:
 
Why? he has not released his real birth certificate. The one he posted on his website is his certificate of live birth. There is a big difference between the two!!
Did you even look at the link I posted? ....nevermind carry on in "bliss".
 
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