I'm curious...

[KJUN]

I completely agree unless they are disabled!

I agree. Thank you. However, what is "disabled?" Isn't that the question that we all fail to agree upon?

To me, that means you can't do "ANY" job. To many people it means, "I can't do the job that I WANT to do" or "it's just too hard for me to work." Well, most of us don't have our dream job nor do we like leaving the house to get to work on time. With that said, there are so many diverse jobs in the US that there are few truly disabled people. If I had nothing but a voice and a nub on one hand, I'd be looking for a job as a telemarketer. If I could type (which all people posting here can do) and hear, I'd be looking for a job as a transcriber. et cetera. How many people on disability can honestly say they can't do ANY of the jobs at all that are available in their area. If I was stuck out in the boonies and could type, I'd try my hand at writing childrens books if nothing else. If you aren't mentally disabled and have SOME physical capabilities, why aren't you working? Our minds REALLY are our greatest assets. (Mental disability, I believe, restricts oppotunity a million times more than physical disability.)

I had a VERY good friend in a wheel chair. Before he died, he had worked himself up to managing a division of a medium sized company. I work with a guy in a wheel chair, and he carries a full course load. He's a very effective teacher. I worked with a mechanic who was one of the best mechanics (helicopter, gas, and diesel engines) I've ever been around. He was in a leg brace (polio as a kid) and had other neural damages in the arm and neck that caused a major loss of muscular strength (he fell a lot and always blamed us for tripping him if a stranger was around....lol), but he still could use tools and work. He also drove (trucks and airboats) a lot as part of his job. I could go on an on about the people who did jobs that they COULD around their disabilities. We all do since none of us are Supermen. How many people on disability are better off than those guys but don't TRY to work. Most of them COULD be transcribers, or teachers, or managers, or check-out people at Wal-Mart, or.......any one of THOUSANDS of jobs. Physical strength, perfect joints, etc. are no longer a requirement for many, many jobs in these united states!

Most people on disability COULD get a job, and those are the ones that it bothers me are taking from the system. I didn't say a GOOD job, but nobody is promised a GOOD job whether they are healthy or not. That's just life!

 

[TxMomto4]

I agree to a point. I receive disability, do absolutely no drugs, don't drink, smoke, etc... And from the basis of spending SSI on drugs/alcohol, yes I think drug tests should be taken. However, I think being subjected to drug tests is kind of humiliating, and I don't feel like I should have to go to the bathroom in front of a stranger simply because I am disabled. I wold love a cleaner system, but I don't think it's entirely fair to say that. I pride myself on living a clean life, and simply because I'm disabled doesn't mean the pressure isn't there. I just choose to live above a drug and alcohol dependent life, and it really suits me well. But to say that I should have to have someone watch me urinate, well that is just plain insensitive. Not to mention the money it will cost to perform these tests. Why should I be treated like I'm on parole due to a disability, especially when I know in my heart that I don't use drugs or alcohol. I know some of you will say "then you have nothing to hide", but you wouldn't want my disability, nor would you want to have monitored bathroom tests because of it.

Yes, but you are one in what maybe 20, and that may be a very low estimate. Is it demeaning for a pregnant woman to be checked 12 or more times when she is pregnant by a dr, you bet, but it has to be done. I would have no issues, and yes, it would be very embarrassing, peeing in front of a doctor so that my youngest son could stay on medicaid. I'm not too proud that I would not do what needs to be done.

 

[TxMomto4]

I agree. Thank you. However, what is "disabled?" Isn't that the question that we all fail to agree upon?

To me, that means you can't do "ANY" job. To many people it means, "I can't do the job that I WANT to do" or "it's just too hard for me to work." Well, most of us don't have our dream job nor do we like leaving the house to get to work on time. With that said, there are so many diverse jobs in the US that there are few truly disabled people. If I had nothing but a voice and a nub on one hand, I'd be looking for a job as a telemarketer. If I could type (which all people posting here can do) and hear, I'd be looking for a job as a transcriber. et cetera. How many people on disability can honestly say they can't do ANY of the jobs at all that are available in their area. If I was stuck out in the boonies and could type, I'd try my hand at writing childrens books if nothing else. If you aren't mentally disabled and have SOME physical capabilities, why aren't you working? Our minds REALLY are our greatest assets. (Mental disability, I believe, restricts oppotunity a million times more than physical disability.)

I had a VERY good friend in a wheel chair. Before he died, he had worked himself up to managing a division of a medium sized company. I work with a guy in a wheel chair, and he carries a full course load. He's a very effective teacher. I worked with a mechanic who was one of the best mechanics (helicopter, gas, and diesel engines) I've ever been around. He was in a leg brace (polio as a kid) and had other neural damages in the arm and neck that caused a major loss of muscular strength (he fell a lot and always blamed us for tripping him if a stranger was around....lol), but he still could use tools and work. He also drove (trucks and airboats) a lot as part of his job. I could go on an on about the people who did jobs that they COULD around their disabilities. We all do since none of us are Supermen. How many people on disability are better off than those guys but don't TRY to work. Most of them COULD be transcribers, or teachers, or managers, or check-out people at Wal-Mart, or.......any one of THOUSANDS of jobs. Physical strength, perfect joints, etc. are no longer a requirement for many, many jobs in these united states!

Most people on disability COULD get a job, and those are the ones that it bothers me are taking from the system. I didn't say a GOOD job, but nobody is promised a GOOD job whether they are healthy or not. That's just life!

Very true. In my mind, I forget the laziness of the human kind esp here in America. When I think disabilities, I think extreme cases or ones such as my son who will be lucky to work at Wal-mart, Lord willing. Not that I am NOT pushing him to learn as much as he can and to be completely normal, but I also have a realistic view and am preparing for whatever the future may hold. Then again, there are also disabled children like one I use to teach riding lessons too who will never be able to work as most of his speech is learned responses, and he has to have someone with him 24/7 when not at home in his room.

A wheelchair only limits certain activities. My Dad worked with a gentleman who was in a motorcycle accident, got up thinking he was fine, bent down to pick up his bike, and is now paralyzed from the waist down due to the fact that he had slipped two discs and didn't know it. He is an amazing computer programmer, and his disability didn't limit that one iota.

 

[KJUN]

Is it demeaning for a pregnant woman to be checked 12 or more times when she is pregnant by a dr, you bet, but it has to be done.

Two words: prostate exam! LOL. Personally, I will take my risks and skip those appointments....lol. The after the birth care is what I think I found more humiliating for my wife. I remember thinking, "Is there anyone at this hospital that hasn't man-handled her breasts yet?" Mastitis concerns, as you know, but that doesn't make it any less humiliating!

peeing in front of a doctor so that my youngest son could stay on medicaid. I'm not too proud that I would not do what needs to be done.

Very well said. I'm sorry to read about your son. That's always a horrible situation, but I definitely respect your outlook on all of this. You probably have a better outlook than I would, and you deserve my personal respect for that.

Very true. In my mind, I forget the laziness of the human kind esp here in America. When I think disabilities, I think extreme cases or ones such as my son who will be lucky to work at Wal-mart, Lord willing. Not that I am NOT pushing him to learn as much as he can and to be completely normal, but I also have a realistic view and am preparing for whatever the future may hold. Then again, there are also disabled children like one I use to teach riding lessons too who will never be able to work as most of his speech is learned responses, and he has to have someone with him 24/7 when not at home in his room.

I actually have nothing more meaningful to say or add except to say, "thank you for your thoughts." My mom works with disabled school kids in the public school system. What tears me up is how GOOD most of these kids are. They worker harder (with more disabilities) to do the best they can than the kids that don't share in their disabilities. This really does tear me up because the SPIRIT is there, but sometimes the mental capacity is not. Sitting next to them are intelligent kids without the SPIRIT to motivate themselves. It's like the one side appreciates what they have, and the other side wants to waste what they were given. I don't know how mom does it - I'd get frustrated and pull me hair our after a week watching the one side try to succeed the best they can and the other side try to fail. It really is just too sad.

A wheelchair only limits certain activities. My Dad worked with a gentleman who was in a motorcycle accident, got up thinking he was fine, bent down to pick up his bike, and is now paralyzed from the waist down due to the fact that he had slipped two discs and didn't know it. He is an amazing computer programmer, and his disability didn't limit that one iota.

Sounds like my kind of guy, and this is exactly why I stressed that physical disabilities often don't warrant the same type of aid as mental disabilities.

 

[The_Thunderer]

I actually have nothing more meaningful to say or add except to say, "thank you for your thoughts." My mom works with disabled school kids in the public school system. What tears me up is how GOOD most of these kids are. They worker harder (with more disabilities) to do the best they can than the kids that don't share in their disabilities. This really does tear me up because the SPIRIT is there, but sometimes the mental capacity is not. Sitting next to them are intelligent kids without the SPIRIT to motivate themselves. It's like the one side appreciates what they have, and the other side wants to waste what they were given. I don't know how mom does it - I'd get frustrated and pull me hair our after a week watching the one side try to succeed the best they can and the other side try to fail. It really is just too sad.

I'm faced with trying to WEAN kids - who have been told that they have learning disabilities all their lives - from LEANING on those disabilities so that they don't have to work hard. I CAN'T stand it when I get a kid who is bright and intelligent and fully CAPABLE sit in front of me and say that they can't add/subtract/multiply/divide/spell ET AL BECAUSE of their learning disability. Seriously... some of them refuse to even try. ALL because someone along the line TOLD them that they have a disability. I had one girl in HS who was told, "You can have an observer be with you when you take a test." Well, she REFUSES to take a test without that "observer". Now, mind you, that "observer" cannot help her in any way... cannot give hints, cannot even SAY anything... just - observe. BUT heaven forbid that the school doesn't have someone who can just SIT there and watch her take a test... 'cause she won't take it. GRRRRRR....

This is the same girl that had a doctor prescribe her some medication... THEN decide to tell her about all the possible side-effects of that medication. Guess what... SHE "HAD" ALL of the side-effects less than 30 minutes after taking the drug. REALLY? :headbang:

Sometimes, I think telling our young people that they "have disabilities" or "may suffer some side-effects". I think in their "ignorance" they tend to strive more and DESIRE more (or WANT to get better in the case of meds). Mind you I should know all the disabilities and the side-effects so that I can properly parent... but PLEASE don't tell kids --- YET.

Oh... one more... I've got one REALLY athletic girl. She can do ANYTHING she sets her mind to... Run, pass a football (she actually caught a "hail-Mary TD pass during tag football game from KURT WARNER when he came to visit one year), swim, etc. She's quite amazing. After a track meet, her grandmother came along, told her how proud she was of her... AND THEN told her to be careful because she has asthma... Needless to say, she cried the whole way home saying that she couldn't breathe, that she HAD to go to the doctor, that her lips were turning blue (they weren't)... etc... and so forth... and so on. GRRRRRRRRR!!!!! :headbang::headbang::headbang:

Talk about idiotic. Needless to say, the front office had a harsh talk with grandma. If my wife and I are gonna take care of her... DON'T be a stumbling block for her.

 

[TxMomto4]

Two words: prostate exam! LOL. Personally, I will take my risks and skip those appointments....lol. The after the birth care is what I think I found more humiliating for my wife. I remember thinking, "Is there anyone at this hospital that hasn't man-handled her breasts yet?" Mastitis concerns, as you know, but that doesn't make it any less humiliating!

UGH! I remember that all too well (the man handling. I can honestly say that I never have nor will I ever need a prostate exam! LOL)! I remember one of my sisters (the ones closest to my age) was having issues breast feeding, and the nurse actually took her boob and was feeding her son... It was embarrassing for me just being there!

Very well said. I'm sorry to read about your son. That's always a horrible situation, but I definitely respect your outlook on all of this. You probably have a better outlook than I would, and you deserve my personal respect for that.

Thank you, but no respect needed. When you have a disabled child, you do what you can regardless just as you would for a normal child. I am just thankful that my son is now able to talk and in SENTENCES. I thank God everyday for the little achievements because they mean he is one step further to being well not NORMAL but closer to it! He's even started making eye contact and keeping it!! YAY!!! (Many autistic children are NEVER able to do that!!!)

I actually have nothing more meaningful to say or add except to say, "thank you for your thoughts." My mom works with disabled school kids in the public school system. What tears me up is how GOOD most of these kids are. They worker harder (with more disabilities) to do the best they can than the kids that don't share in their disabilities. This really does tear me up because the SPIRIT is there, but sometimes the mental capacity is not. Sitting next to them are intelligent kids without the SPIRIT to motivate themselves. It's like the one side appreciates what they have, and the other side wants to waste what they were given. I don't know how mom does it - I'd get frustrated and pull me hair our after a week watching the one side try to succeed the best they can and the other side try to fail. It really is just too sad.

I couldn't agree more!!! Many times, they are just trapped within themselves. Before Kade learned how to speak, he would have terrible (I actually have scars to prove this) melt downs when he was unable to tell me what he wanted/needed, and would attack himself and whoever was closest due to an overload of emotions. I would have to sit on the floor, hold his legs and arms, and he would basically cry, bite, and headbutt until the melt down stopped. Not something you can punish him for as they are not controlled and intentional like a temper tantrum! He really is a sweet boy though! Pain in the rear to his big brothers (on purpose sometimes.. he has a BIG mischievous side!), and an over indulgent big brother to his little sis. Mom says "NO!" to her, and he will go get what she wants regardless. Yes, she is SPOILED! I'm really going to dislike this in her teenage years!

His special education teacher, general ed (she has training in and experience with autistic students), and his speech teacher last year were truly guardian angels! If not for them, I am not sure he would have started speaking let alone in sentences! Special ed teachers really have to have soft and loving hearts to do what they do as it is not easy. Give your mom a hug!

 

[TxMomto4]

I'm faced with trying to WEAN kids - who have been told that they have learning disabilities all their lives - from LEANING on those disabilities so that they don't have to work hard. I CAN'T stand it when I get a kid who is bright and intelligent and fully CAPABLE sit in front of me and say that they can't add/subtract/multiply/divide/spell ET AL BECAUSE of their learning disability. Seriously... some of them refuse to even try. ALL because someone along the line TOLD them that they have a disability. I had one girl in HS who was told, "You can have an observer be with you when you take a test." Well, she REFUSES to take a test without that "observer". Now, mind you, that "observer" cannot help her in any way... cannot give hints, cannot even SAY anything... just - observe. BUT heaven forbid that the school doesn't have someone who can just SIT there and watch her take a test... 'cause she won't take it. GRRRRRR....

This is the same girl that had a doctor prescribe her some medication... THEN decide to tell her about all the possible side-effects of that medication. Guess what... SHE "HAD" ALL of the side-effects less than 30 minutes after taking the drug. REALLY? :headbang:

Sometimes, I think telling our young people that they "have disabilities" or "may suffer some side-effects". I think in their "ignorance" they tend to strive more and DESIRE more (or WANT to get better in the case of meds). Mind you I should know all the disabilities and the side-effects so that I can properly parent... but PLEASE don't tell kids --- YET.

Oh... one more... I've got one REALLY athletic girl. She can do ANYTHING she sets her mind to... Run, pass a football (she actually caught a "hail-Mary TD pass during tag football game from KURT WARNER when he came to visit one year), swim, etc. She's quite amazing. After a track meet, her grandmother came along, told her how proud she was of her... AND THEN told her to be careful because she has asthma... Needless to say, she cried the whole way home saying that she couldn't breathe, that she HAD to go to the doctor, that her lips were turning blue (they weren't)... etc... and so forth... and so on. GRRRRRRRRR!!!!! :headbang::headbang::headbang:

Talk about idiotic. Needless to say, the front office had a harsh talk with grandma. If my wife and I are gonna take care of her... DON'T be a stumbling block for her.

First off, again, there needs to be more people like you and your wife!

Secondly, I agree! My eldest son has really struggled the past three years in school. He just went into 6th grade and SO FAR so good, but school has just begun. His grandpa (from his useless biological mother's side.. I'm in the process of adopting him) told him the first year he was struggling in 3rd grade that it was due to him being SO smart that he was bored. Trust me, I know my son. He was not bored. He likes to day dream, and he, even at home, likes to slack and take his time. It's just the way Dusty is and always will be. It can take him an hour to TWO hours just to eat just a peanut butter sandwich if he is day dreaming. So, ever since then, it's "I'm BOOOOOOOOOOORED". My response is, "If you are so BOOOOORED, then you should be done FIRST with nothing to do afterwards. Not sitting there after 30 minutes with ONE thing answered. duh!". (His favorite word is duh right now). Grandparents need to learn to keep their mouth SHUT to the kids. Have an issue or think there is a problem go to the parents!

Why would ANY doctor tell a KID the side effects??? Seriously? Unless they are having surgery, and it is post-op side effects that they WILL have so they know how to deal with them! Doctors are known to be book smart not all are life smart!

Also, my fav (as I have ADHD even as an adult) are those that think that is an excuse NOT to do well, and their parents CONDONE the attitude! My mother would have beat my tush, and I was NOT medicated. Not that everyone with ADD/ADHD can go unmedicated, but it is not excuse to be lazy.

 

[Nova_C]

You complain about Obama being like Hitler, but this thread is more fascist than anything the US President has suggested so far. I'm certainly glad in Canada, an employer can't invade someone's privacy to the point that we have to prove we're not high just to get a job.

Honestly, I find the 'big brother' tactics you would use on anyone that doesn't live up to your expectations pretty disgusting. That goes for anyone that would treat someone using government assistance as a second class citizen.

No wonder people complain about America becoming fascist. It's what you guys actually want.

 

[Pruddock]

You complain about Obama being like Hitler, but this thread is more fascist than anything the US President has suggested so far. I'm certainly glad in Canada, an employer can't invade someone's privacy to the point that we have to prove we're not high just to get a job.

Honestly, I find the 'big brother' tactics you would use on anyone that doesn't live up to your expectations pretty disgusting. That goes for anyone that would treat someone using government assistance as a second class citizen.

No wonder people complain about America becoming fascist. It's what you guys actually want.

Nova. First off that was probably the stupidest post I have read on this thread yet. Second, I believe you're getting the term and understanding of fascism mixed up with honest. All the people responding to this thread are asking for when they are saying healthcare or welfare beneficiaries should be subjected to urine tests and more screening is that those who receive it should HONESTLY be receiving it. In no way whatsoever is that a fascist statement. Fascism has to do with having an overbearing and single minded dictatorial rule over a country that puts that country or the leading race in that country above all else. And, if "big brother" is the one handing out the money then you can darn well bet that "big brother" should have a say in who is getting it. It's called charity, not a necessary or something that you deserve. I agree with what KJ said either in here or another thread, I'm not sure at this point. The US believes that all [people] (don't want to offend anybody by saying "men") are CREATED equal. I believe, as well as most who are making this argument. That we are equal from our beginnings or that we should be given an equal chance in the beginning. Beyond that its on your shoulders what you make of your life. Mental disabilities aside, because I truly feel that these are the disabilities that are the most difficult to deal with and I have an open heart to those with disabilities and those who help people with disabilities, if you can work in this country then DO IT!!!

As for your Canada statement, it's absolutely unnecessary and gives me a prime example of how ignorant you are to this subject. What works for one country may not work for another country and that has been proven time and time again. I can site endless times when even the US has tried to employ democracy in a place where it just didn't work because we didn't understand the culture (Vietnam and Iraq are two prime examples). In that same sense, coming on here and blurting out "It works in Canada so it MUST work in the US!" or something to the liking with any other country is useless and does nothing but further remove you from the conversation at hand. Population differences ALONE negate the use of Canada as an equal example to the situation in the US. It's easier to rule (and with socialist countries I truly mean RULE) a smaller populous of people than in a country with a population and economy the size of the United States. If you'd like for me to discredit your example anymore I'd be happy to do so, but I'm bored of this and sure that KJ or any of the others can end this argument for me...

*There I go... I told myself I wouldn't get into politics on this forum and here I am lol. D***IT!*

 

[KJUN]

I can site endless times when even the US has tried to employ democracy in a place where it just didn't work because we didn't understand the culture (Vietnam and Iraq are two prime examples).

Thanks, P.

By the way, to continue the Germany comments, another good example of which I know you are aware is Germany itself. Woodrow Wislon made the horrible mistake of forcing it on Germany pretty much against their will. A proud people were blamed for things that didn't do (or feel they didn't do), and a "foreign" government type was forced on them. I like Woodrow a LOT, but that is a certain mistake of his administration...at least in hindsight.

That ending of WWI (and the ignoring of the treaty violations that followed it) made WWII practically inevitable. (No, I don't mean the Holocost was inevitable - don't anyone put words in my mouth.) WWII was due to what was handled improperly in WWI in additiona to the internal struggles within the old German Empire. One can say that the establishment of the Third Reich and an expansionist war WOULD have happened without Hitler with a find degree of certainty with what we know now. (Of course, this is not an absolute, and I am not claiming my statement to be such.)

Off topic, but this is WHY I supported the second Gulf War whole-heartedly. I saw the same think happening as happened after WWI. A war was one, a proud people were put down, and then they started violating the treaty conditions about their allowed military rights. It was exactly what Germany did prior to WWII. If Germany would have been stopped sooner (violating the treaty), then WWII wouldn't have happened the same way. I could see things spiralling out of control if the "second Gulf War" wouldn't have prevented further military treaty violations again. Right or wrong wasn't my concern - not seeing something leading to another WW that WOULD have been completely wrong was what I wanted to see prevented.

 

[KJUN]

I'm certainly glad in Canada, an employer can't invade someone's privacy to the point that we have to prove we're not high just to get a job.

Two things for the record:
(1) You can refuse the drug check. Nobody MAKES you work there.
(2) I don't support the drug check nor the "war on drugs." I do support the idea that people getting the money have the same requirements as the people paying the money. Also, if they can afford illegal drugs, why do they NEED the money we are giving them for food? Heck, a smoker shouldn't be allowed to get welfare. Why give them money for food if they can buy cigs? They can just use the cig money instead and stop being a burden on the tax payers.

 

[Pruddock]

Heck, a smoker shouldn't be allowed to get welfare. Why give them money for food if they can buy cigs? They can just use the cig money instead and stop being a burden on the tax payers.

THANK YOU!!! This is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves. I will never forget watching somebody use their food stamps to get some food, turning around and getting their can return at the grocery store (in Iowa where its $.05 a can) and by their cigs with it. I wanted to take the box away from them and throw 'em in the toilet...

 

[Nova_C]

THANK YOU!!! This is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves. I will never forget watching somebody use their food stamps to get some food, turning around and getting their can return at the grocery store (in Iowa where its $.05 a can) and by their cigs with it. I wanted to take the box away from them and throw 'em in the toilet...

All right, I'm tired of you guys constantly grouping everyone who is using government assistance with the one dude you saw abusing the system. SHOW me that the abuse is systemic and you have a point, otherwise take your prejudice and shove it.

I can compare the US to Canada all I want because you guys are having a ball comparing the US to great depression era Germany.

Oh, and Pruddock, I didn't bring fascism into this thread. Complain about the people calling Obama a fascist.

 

[danielle]

Nova in 1939 when the American stock market crashed our society as well had their own great depression and currently our economic times come close to reflecting this period. As far as showing you evidence our wellfare system is highly abused google it my friend. If you lived here you would know more than one guy who abuses the system...here its a disease society has something more than one American here has pointed out. I couldn't have a relevent conversation with you about your government because what is written about any country is usually biased, but the same applies to you. Hearing something over the pond is nothing like living there. Canada and the US are two separate countries with two very different cultures, and ideologies about governments roles. In your country your views may very well be correct, but here they just aren't and argueing your opinion becomes pointless just like if I argued against a public health care system in Canada. I respect your opinion whether I agree or not, but you have to realize our countries differences are the main reason a public health system would fail here

 

[Nova_C]

Nova in 1939 when the American stock market crashed our society as well had their own great depression and currently our economic times come close to reflecting this period. As far as showing you evidence our wellfare system is highly abused google it my friend. If you lived here you would know more than one guy who abuses the system...here its a disease society has something more than one American here has pointed out. I couldn't have a relevent conversation with you about your government because what is written about any country is usually biased, but the same applies to you. Hearing something over the pond is nothing like living there. Canada and the US are two separate countries with two very different cultures, and ideologies about governments roles. In your country your views may very well be correct, but here they just aren't and argueing your opinion becomes pointless just like if I argued against a public health care system in Canada. I respect your opinion whether I agree or not, but you have to realize our countries differences are the main reason a public health system would fail here

The stock market crash happened in 1929.

I will not believe that all or most poor people in the US are any more lazy or drug addicted than anywhere else unless you can show me proof. Why should I believe Americans are lazy? Just because some people on the internet say so? Let's be a little more realistic here.

Ideologies are very different between the US and Canada, that's absolutely right, but it doesn't preclude learning from each other. Besides, the US will invade countries to turn them to your way of thinking, so I'm not going to feel bad for promoting my way of thinking.

The US already has a public health system. Medicare/Medicaid. The US government already spends massive amounts of money on people who don't have insurance and can't cover their ER costs. Trying to make it work more efficiently seems to be a terrible idea though. :/

 

[tsst]

... Trying to make it work more efficiently seems to be a terrible idea though. :/

Herein exists the fallacy. Our gov does nothing efficient!!!

 

[Nova_C]

Herein exists the fallacy. Our gov does nothing efficient!!!

Do you think the current system is sustainable?

 

[tsst]

Do you think the current system is sustainable?

Not with the costs involved like subsidizing meds to Canada etc. But I believe a gov run system would be exponentially worse not only in service but in long term costs also!

 

[Nova_C]

subsidizing meds to Canada

Wait, what?

 

[KJUN]

All right, I'm tired of you guys constantly grouping everyone who is using government assistance with the one dude you saw abusing the system. SHOW me that the abuse is systemic and you have a point, otherwise take your prejudice and shove it.

It is EASY to hide behind a keyboard and claim you know more about a country that you claim to not live in than even the residents. Of course, it is even harder to give those claims any weight.