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Stupid people with degrees

Hypancistrus

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In addition to my "day school" teaching job, I also teach "night school," which is for students who are either expelled from day school or in need of extra or repeat credits that they missed in day school.

I knew it would be a stressful year when I walked into the classroom that I work out of in the evening and saw several "new" (to the room) aquariums and terrariums. In the past, I myself have kept over 300 gallons of aquariums, several snakes, lizards and frogs in my classroom, and done it well... but I also have firsthand and unfortunate knowlege of the fact that MOST teachers are not me and really cannot be bothered to properly care for their pets. I am pretty sure that most people here are familiar with the story of Lucky, my rescued Eastern Box turtle, who was abandoned with no food or water in one of my coworkers classrooms.

So knowing this, I felt rather trepidacious regarding this teachers new drive. There was already a 30 gallon fish tank going, and in it he had (I swear) a festivum cichlid, a rainbow Eartheater cichlid, a bristlenose pleco and a freshwater "tea cup" ray. The first weekend, the ray died, which did not suprise me. They need a bare minimum of a 75 gallon, heavily filtered, and they need super-strict water quality regimes, none of which the varsity soccer coach is going to be providing... hmm. The other fish seem to be okay for now, but they are going to get big fast, and again, no water changes is going to lead to bad things....

So last night I do in and the guy has a tall Exo Terra viv set up with a giant heat lamp and one of those spiral UV bulbs. I look inside and there are two very small baby crested geckos. I have a newly hatched one myself... these are slightly larger. Maybe a month old. He has a soil substrate covered with moss... not TOO bad... a shallow water bowl with a rock in it. Bamboo shoots for climbing.

But the temperature in the tank, midway down (not even right under the light) was 88.9 degrees. Temps over the mid-80's can rapidly become fatal to crested geckos, which are a temperate species. He also had large crickets in the cage, when small or week old would have been more appropriate.

I just could not believe it. I went on the net, printed our care sheet and Pangea's care sheet to back us up. It took me 30 seconds to type "Crested gecko care sheet," and bring one up. He can't even take 30 seconds to find out the temperature needs of a species he is going to care for? The worst part is that the HS has no A/C, so even without the heat lamp, the lowest the temp can get is 84 or so. I really don't think these babies have a chance.

But I printed both care sheets, highlighted the appropriate temps, left a note saying that temps in the upper 80's will kill his lizards, and I also stapled my card for my old fish forum to the packet. Hopefully this clown will take 5 minutes to actually read the caresheet, and maybe some more time to visit the fish forum and get help with that disaster too.

It just really pisses me off when teachers do this. By acting this way, the lesson you are teaching your students is that animals are disposable whims that can be treated any way you want and abandoned or discarded when it becomes inconvenient for you, the human. :realhot:
 
poor geckos. i feel bad that we have our colony that is usually in a 70 gallon dispersed through 3 10s and a 20 gallon right now. were painting and had to take down the 70 to paint in the living room. and its still not back up. but soon.

so do you think this guy is gonna take offense to you trying to help out. or do you think he'll be noble enough to ask for advice? i hope its the latter. if not i would take it into my own hands and possibly fix the problems without telling him. lol.
 
so do you think this guy is gonna take offense to you trying to help out. or do you think he'll be noble enough to ask for advice? i hope its the latter. if not i would take it into my own hands and possibly fix the problems without telling him. lol.

That is what Tara said I should do... turn the light off. But the day school science staff is pissy enough about us being there (even though their school gets PAID for use of its premises) without me messing around with his things, no matter the intentions. So I propped the info up on his tank and hoped he'll be man enough to take advice. Many of the coaches in BCPS are egotistical air heads who marvel at their own abilities to "walk on water".... I hope he bucks that trend.

Incidentally, he seems to be getting his "advice" from a local fish/ reptile shop that is THE worst shop in the area... I can totally see them selling him the two lamps and the two bulbs that he doesn't need, and that, in fact, will kill his animals simply because they want to make the extra money. Grrr.... :headbang:
 
wait so you go in for night classes, but were the lights still on then all night? thats killer. poor animals.
 
Poor cresties, I hope that person reads the sheet.

I deal with a lot of people like this especially the people I meet through my job and because of my age (I don't look 20 I look 15) they ignore me. Currently in my Biology lab in college there is a 55 gallon tank with about 10 goldfish of different sizes and 3 bettas. The tank has a tiny filter and always has two lights on so there is lots of algae. The smaller fish are really beat up from the larger goldfish picking on them, it makes me sad seeing them every week. You think a Biology teacher would know better.
 
wait so you go in for night classes, but were the lights still on then all night? thats killer. poor animals.

That is correct. By 10 PM the lights had gone off... however, assuming they come on around 8 so the kids can see them... that is well above the amount of light they need, and like I said... the school is so hot anyway that the lowest it can go in the tank right now is 84.

You think a Biology teacher would know better.

You would think so. I really can't say that I would fight a law that says animals cannot be kept in classrooms....

I don't keep any of mine at school anymore due to temp fluctuations that sent my two snakes off feed last year. I do take animals in at least once a month, so the kids do get to see them and interact with them.
 
try to have patience with him and some grace. If you show your anger he will britsle to your help and the animals will be doomed.


DONT HATE ON SOCCER COACHES~!!!~

I am one too lol.
 
DONT HATE ON SOCCER COACHES~!!!~

I am one too lol.

Totally not hating on soccer coaches, or any coaches! I love sports!

However, if you are the varsity soccer coach, I think it's safe to say that time is of a premium... so I do question the wisdom of adding something like an aquarium that needs a lot of regular care.
 
I feel for the poor cresties... but I hope this guy listens, reads and learns. Please let us know what transpires. I think you handled it very appropriately.
 
I coach two sports (football and Futbol) at the JV level and still have enough time for my 3 kids and 70 snakes... just all in how you allocate your time. I think his issue was/is lack of education in this specific area.
 
Stupid? - he has a degree, so not likely, but a possibility.
Ignorant to the care of different species of reptiles? - yes.
 
I forgot to update this....

I went in on Thursday and was told that we had been accused of "stealing his things." He told his department chair that we had stolen his crickets (which were later found in a cabinet above the viv) and that we had stolen his "green hall passes" i.e. the small 2" x 2" green pass packs all BCPS teachers write on to let kids go to the BR or nurse.

Why would I steal those? I had two packs in my bag that night alone. I don't get it... that would be like stealing chalk... actually probably dumber, because chalk is a lot less plentiful in schools.....

He had made no changes at all to the vivarium.

So I guess my calling him out on his poor husbandry upset his frail temperament enough that he had to make up a few thefts to feel better....

I really want them to move my room.
 
I was kind of expecting that response. You questioned his knowledge and he probably thinks you made him look like a fool, in front of some of the kids. Accusing you or members of your class, of stealing is his way of saving face. I would bet that this is his way of discrediting you and your attempt at educating him.

It's a shame and the animals he keeps, are going to suffer for it.

Wayne
 
One of my Bio Professors is getting a pair of Cresties to keep in his office at school. The other day he was firing off random wrong info about them, so I printed out a care sheet and anonymously left it in his school mail box. Unlike this guy, my professor took the gesture to heart and actually made a public announcement thanking whoever it was that left the care sheet. Why can't they all be like that?
 
One of my Bio Professors is getting a pair of Cresties to keep in his office at school. The other day he was firing off random wrong info about them, so I printed out a care sheet and anonymously left it in his school mail box. Unlike this guy, my professor took the gesture to heart and actually made a public announcement thanking whoever it was that left the care sheet. Why can't they all be like that?

Some people have huge Ego's, that bruise easily and some people don't.

Wayne
 
Wow... Two ends of the spectrum on display here. Lauren's IDIOT and Josh's upstanding man. You're right Josh, I wish WE could ALL be like this.

Lauren, it sad that you had to deal with the fallout of doing the right thing. Hope it all passes soon.
 
I forgot to update this....

I went in on Thursday and was told that we had been accused of "stealing his things." He told his department chair that we had stolen his crickets (which were later found in a cabinet above the viv) and that we had stolen his "green hall passes" i.e. the small 2" x 2" green pass packs all BCPS teachers write on to let kids go to the BR or nurse.

Why would I steal those? I had two packs in my bag that night alone. I don't get it... that would be like stealing chalk... actually probably dumber, because chalk is a lot less plentiful in schools.....

He had made no changes at all to the vivarium.

So I guess my calling him out on his poor husbandry upset his frail temperament enough that he had to make up a few thefts to feel better....

I really want them to move my room.

Tis a shame it didn't work. Thats awesome that you tried to help, though.
 
Ironic-they don't require either light, UV or heat. Also I cant help but thinking that if you wanted a reptile display animal for a classroom wouldn't you pick something that's NOT nocturnal or shy by nature...unless hes going for a 'wheres Waldo' effect!?! Jeesh.
 
I used to think it was stupid when I heard schools banning animals in the classroom... now I am kind of starting to agree with them. If you are going to keep animals in a classroom successfully, you need to be 100% committed to them... they must be your focus. Simply put, most teachers can't/won't reach that level, so it should not be done.

Also, I did not leave the care sheet in plain view, I tucked it just behind the tank, where I hoped he would see it when he went to care for them. I did not want to embarass him... only educate him. Apparently his skin is quite thin, or, like was mentioned... his ego uber-large.
 
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