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Genetics have anything to do with regurges?

JustineNYC

JustineNYC

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I have been wondering about this for a while, Im curious what the rest of you, experiences are.

I dont have that much experience with regurges, thankfully, but I have noticed something. Why are some of them more vulnerable to them, then others?

My RO, regurged once a long time ago. I had bumped her up a size, feed her a large meal and handled her 3 days later. I thought the meal would have been gone by then, there was no lump, but the next morning, she had regurged.


My ghost regurged last year once. She had eaten in her tub, and I had come back to check and see if everyone was done. I looked at her, saw the lump and gently lifted her back into her viv. I remember thinking that I hoped she had been done swallowing, but I was in a rush. My fault....next morning she regurged.

While neither are overly sensitive to regurges, cause I caused both of them, my male abbott is totally different.

I got him in August of 2007, and he was a June hatchling, and already 100 grams. But he is a crazy eater. After he eats, I put him back into his viv, or let him crawl out on his own, and he always, always goes climbing. His mice are appropriately sized, if anything, their on the larger side, and he will always climb and become very active after eating.

On numerous occasions, I have witnessed him fall from climbing, and had just eaten, and I have thought "Oh gosh, thats going to be a regurge" and he has never had one.

Does anyone have corns that regurge for no explained reason, and then have corns that maybe should have them and dont? Are less then enthusiastic eaters more prone to them?
 
Thats a really interesting observation....and while I have nothing to really add to this, I just wanted to point out that we only live approximately 30 minutes from each other o_O
 
Some of my babies and juveniles (under 200 grams) are quite active the night of a feeding, after being put back. And the babies who are good and go hide and digest are often done and back out the next night! Here's my history of regurges:

Maizey, WC, adult, dewormed. Ate fine. Fed a too large mouse. Regurged it, and continued to regurge anything larger than a hopper from then on. Lived on fuzzies/hoppers for three years, never appeared ill, died.

Jasper, regurged as a juvenile, once while in blue.

Noah (boa), regurged once as a juvenile, in blue.

El Wray, regurged once as a hatchling, in blue.

Choco, Cali King, regurged three hoppers within minutes of being replaced in viv. I didn't treat.
 
Justine, I think I read two questions in the OP. I have read numerous long-time major breeders talk about not wanting to perpetuate that habit...by choosing picky eaters or regurgers as breeder snakes. So they seem to be saying that their opinion is that it is genetic.

As far as individual snakes are concerned, I personally believe it is in the temperament/disposition...mind(?)...of a snake. Over the years, I have had snakes that would regurge at the flipping on of a light switch, or at least it seemed so. On the other hand, I have had robustly flourishing snakes that would eat out of my hand, hanging suspended in the air, or keep on swallowing through a hurricane, one would think.
AND I have had snakes that regurging was a once or twice thing, that arose out of nowhere and then passed altogether with time.

EDIT : regarding shedding and snakes 'in blue',...I have had snakes that ate in blue and did not regurge, ate in blue then regurged now not offered food in blue, and snakes that absolutely refuse to eat in blue. I think the latter is the most normal thing....in the context of the ups and downs of snakes in the wild.
 
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regurgitation can be caused by two factors(if you eliminate the Husbandry factor, which is a huge part in this as well):
1- How strong is the self defense mechanism they have? how easily is the regurge instinct triggered and how easily does the snake perceive something as a threat
2- the metabolism of the snake, which is affected by a huge amount of genes and parameters.

Genetics on the whole, effect -everything-. I do think that piling up recessive traits(which are basically defects) can have negative effects on a snake and it takes quite a bit of out-breeding to create a healthy bloodline in some cases.

Genetics effect the snake's chemical reactions, metabolic process and personality... so, in general, yes- that and husbandry.

If you meant morph-wise, I believe that piling up recessive traits -can- create degradation either caused by the defects themselves or the in-breeding
 
vetusvates said:
Justine, I think I read two questions in the OP. I have read numerous long-time major breeders talk about not wanting to perpetuate that habit...by choosing picky eaters or regurgers as breeder snakes. So they seem to be saying that their opinion is that it is genetic.

As far as individual snakes are concerned, I personally believe it is in the temperament/disposition...mind(?)...of a snake. Over the years, I have had snakes that would regurge at the flipping on of a light switch, or at least it seemed so. On the other hand, I have had robustly flourishing snakes that would eat out of my hand, hanging suspended in the air, or keep on swallowing through a hurricane, one would think.
AND I have had snakes that regurging was a once or twice thing, that arose out of nowhere and then passed altogether with time.

EDIT : regarding shedding and snakes 'in blue',...I have had snakes that ate in blue and did not regurge, ate in blue then regurged now not offered food in blue, and snakes that absolutely refuse to eat in blue. I think the latter is the most normal thing....in the context of the ups and downs of snakes in the wild.
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I totally buy into the temperament part. Sadler strikes before I have actually put him down into the tub, he is very very excited by eating, and hes the one who can get bumped around, and be fine.

So basically its stress from handling that causes regurges, not the actual motion of being handled? Or both?
 
Kokopelli said:
regurgitation can be caused by two factors(if you eliminate the Husbandry factor, which is a huge part in this as well):
1- How strong is the self defense mechanism they have? how easily is the regurge instinct triggered and how easily does the snake perceive something as a threat
2- the metabolism of the snake, which is affected by a huge amount of genes and parameters.

Genetics on the whole, effect -everything-. I do think that piling up recessive traits(which are basically defects) can have negative effects on a snake and it takes quite a bit of out-breeding to create a healthy bloodline in some cases.

Genetics effect the snake's chemical reactions, metabolic process and personality... so, in general, yes- that and husbandry.

If you meant morph-wise, I believe that piling up recessive traits -can- create degradation either caused by the defects themselves or the in-breeding
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Very interesting!!
 
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