ObamaCare and me By Zane F Pollard, MD

[tyflier]

Is it your policy to change things to say what you want them to and then forward it as fact? I mean, I suspect most liberals do this, but they rarely admit it.

:nyah::nyah::nyah::nyah::nyah:

Why not? Conservatives have been doing since the first day of Obama's Campaign. What's good for the goose, and all that jazz, right?

Oh wait...I forgot...you're a commu...I mean conservative, so everyone is required to think the way you do or else they are either 1)unpatriotic, un-American, theiving slime or 2)thieving, stealing, lazy, good-for-nothing, worthless slobs.

I forgot about you. But then again...it's easy to forget about those that never make sense. Good thing, too...I hate wasting energy on worthless garbage...

 

[tyflier]

LOL too funny Kyle. It's fine if Canadians like their system they should it's theirs afterall. The point is our population more than triples yours, we have an expensive military, and already offer free or lower cost health care for the elderly, children, pregnant women, and those who are low income.

We are also in a recession, are terribly in debt, and just plain don't have the funds to adequately pay for a full blown health care plan for all. Having to wait weeks to months for diagnostic testing, surgery, having to travel to receive these things because your particular province doesn't offer that service, and being told which treatments you should undergo based on cost efficiencies is not what I want and these statements reflect Canada's current system. While many think a system like this is the better of the two evils I personally don't

Boldface is mine...

I guess it is a good thing, than, that you don't get to choose for everyone.

Personally...I wouldn't mind waiting 2 weeks for treatment, traveling to get the treatment, or making treatment decisions based on cost. Of course, when you compare that to never getting treatment, unable to afford a diagnosis, and being able to put myself into debt for the rest of my life to cover the cost of minor medical care...I guess you get a new perspective...
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[reptile_jones]

Having to wait weeks to months for diagnostic testing, surgery, having to travel to receive these things because your particular province doesn't offer that service, and being told which treatments you should undergo based on cost efficiencies(or their profit margin)

Hmmm, Isn't that what the Insurance companies do now? :awcrap:

 

[danielle]

To a much lesser extent sure insurance companies have denied a specific drug or order of treatment, but in Canada there are many drugs not even available period to anyone ever. That means NO ONE can receive these drugs or specific treatments

I think I have said many times our system needs reform, but not in the form of a full government take over- JMO. Also for those who say they wouldn't mind waiting for treatment your tune may change when that time comes. You can at any time go to a hospital for care, if a major disease like cancer or other long term illness is discovered most states have funds to cover these dire emergency costs they DO NOT SAY GO DIE ELSEWHERE I promise

In Canada these waits can be the difference between life or death, or the difference between someone injured and in pain having to go without working until they can get say knee surgery for example. Look at the number of and wait times for orthopedic surgery in Canada- its freaking scary. So before saying you wouldn't mind the wait look around on Canada's gov. health care sites, think about how much larger our population is, and how EVERY current government program is underfunded and mismanaged and tell me Canada's issues wouldn't be further personified here

 

[danielle]

As a matter of fact start with this site and go from there- really research, read comments by Canada's own government officials, and tell me you would want this system responsible for your families and selves health care.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/peter-r...ealthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system.html.

 

[tyflier]

To a much lesser extent sure insurance companies have denied a specific drug or order of treatment, but in Canada there are many drugs not even available period to anyone ever. That means NO ONE can receive these drugs or specific treatments

I think I have said many times our system needs reform, but not in the form of a full government take over- JMO. Also for those who say they wouldn't mind waiting for treatment your tune may change when that time comes. You can at any time go to a hospital for care, if a major disease like cancer or other long term illness is discovered most states have funds to cover these dire emergency costs they DO NOT SAY GO DIE ELSEWHERE I promise

In Canada these waits can be the difference between life or death, or the difference between someone injured and in pain having to go without working until they can get say knee surgery for example. Look at the number of and wait times for orthopedic surgery in Canada- its freaking scary. So before saying you wouldn't mind the wait look around on Canada's gov. health care sites, think about how much larger our population is, and how EVERY current government program is underfunded and mismanaged and tell me Canada's issues wouldn't be further personified here

Dude...I al;ready wait for care, and so do a fair number of American Citizens. We wait because we simply cannot afford to GET medical care. If I break a bone that won't result in permanent, debilitating injury, I pop some Tylenol and take a couple days off of work. If I get the flu, bronchitis, or a respiratory infection(all of which I am prone to since birth), I take some Sudafed. If I need stitches...super glue works wonders. I currently have a broken tooth, a broken humorous that never properly healed, bone spurs on my knuckles, bad knees, a bad back, and countless bone and soft-tissue injuries...ALL of which disqualify me from medical insurance...IF I could afford it in the first place.

Like I said...Canada may not have a perfect health care system. But at the very least every person that needs medical treatment recieves it, and they don't have to put themselves into debt for the rest of their lives to get it.

As well...I have said repeatedly that a "public option" may not necessarily be the best answer. However, regulations put in place to prevent insurance companies from denying people coverage, and denying covered person's care would be nice. And if they can make it affordable for ALL income levels, instead of just the upper 2 or 3, it would be a HUGE bonus...(notice I said "income levels", not destitute, homeless, indigent, or illegal)

 

[TandJ]

Originally Posted by danielle
LOL too funny Kyle. It's fine if Canadians like their system they should it's theirs afterall. The point is our population more than triples yours, we have an expensive military, and already offer free or lower cost health care for the elderly, children, pregnant women, and those who are low income.

We are also in a recession, are terribly in debt, and just plain don't have the funds to adequately pay for a full blown health care plan for all. Having to wait weeks to months for diagnostic testing, surgery, having to travel to receive these things because your particular province doesn't offer that service, and being told which treatments you should undergo based on cost efficiencies is not what I want and these statements reflect Canada's current system.

I am Canadian and quite frankly the wait times in the system sucks and its as broken as the State of Kalifornia.. The Population of the US of A is 10 fold of Canaduh's, and the State of Californication is a few million larger than the whole of Canada. The wait times on some things have acutually increased on some procedures on the Canadian side.. Occasionally you will a fund raiser in some local papers for people trying to raise funds to get their kids treated in a US hospital because the services are not available in Canada.. If you think I am kidding, do a search for the Moose Jaw Times Hearld, look for a kid with the last name Rosnes, yeah that was quite a few years back, but that is the one that comes to mind.. So yes, indeed this echo's Danielle's concerns, and is a truth..

Of course whats going to happen, is that companies are just going to drop their employee's that they provide medical insurance for, and quite frankly, that should fly in the face of some wankers, because now the big companies/capitalist bastards are going to be making more moneythan before, thus thats the man again holding down the advancement of societies peons.. But hey, if companies don't do that ( which I can't see why they would want to carry beni's after destruction of the Medical Industry ) it will become a two tier system..

Apparently Chris has lived in Canada..

But at the very least every person that needs medical treatment recieves it, and they don't have to put themselves into debt for the rest of their lives to get it.

Thats pucky.. Would you consider dental issues to be a form of medical treatment? If you do Chris, then you obviously have not studied the Canadian System over good, or at least the Province of Saskatchewan does not cover Dental, and has not for at least 20 yrs.. There is a few studies out that that can relate poor dental health to Heart Disease and a few other ailments.. Yeah, the very fact that I have to pay higher taxes inside of Canada for as long as I am employed could constitude a life time.. The taxes get more pricey with the more you make, and that is true of Canada and the US of A.. So, yes, regardless of what people think, the people pay for their health care regardless, just in a different and blind means from what I do in the US..

I actually pay a lot less for my Health Insurance and Taxes in the US than I did in Canada.. My health care is much better than what I recieved in Canada.. *shrugs* The only thing I can think of why this seems to be such a debate for people is that not everyone can afford the insurance because they make so little.. Umm wait, there are ways for people to obtain medical coverage through the system in place already, that is not going to run someone into the ground for a payment. What does the State of California have in place? MediCal? Pretty well the same thing from I can tell.. I am quite sure the other States have that in place as well.. *shrugs* ..

If you love the Canadian * Cough... Provincial, because every Province has its own guide lines of what it will or will not cover ) Medicare System so much, make sure you have a real job skill behind you and you are 40 and under, Canada will take you for immigration purposes... If your over 40, it becomes harder to get into Canada.. Of course, I see someone that actually has disqaulified themselves anyways..

I better watch myself though.. The thought police might show up at my residence because I refuse to be a conformist..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[reptile_jones]

We are also in a recession, are terribly in debt, and just plain don't have the funds to adequately pay for a full blown health care plan for all.

But we HAD billions to "aid" the Pakistan army.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - The United States has long suspected that much of the billions of dollars it has sent Pakistan to battle militants has been diverted to the domestic economy and other causes, such as fighting India.

Now the scope and longevity of the misuse is becoming clear: Between 2002 and 2008, while al-Qaida regrouped, only $500 million of the $6.6 billion in American aid actually made it to the Pakistani military, two army generals tell The Associated Press.

Here is the link, http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=11254323

I'm glad the tax payer money went to better use than "free health care in the U.S.".

 

[tyflier]

No, I've never lived in Canada. I just used the same referances that the other Canadiens in this topic used...everyone gets treatment...and everyone pays for it. It may not be perfect, but it seems to work...for most people in most cases, from what I gather...

And I will reiterate...the debate is not about a public option. It is about reformation of the current system. It really amazes me that some people feel like there is no need for changes. Ignore "public options". Do you think our current system of private insurance works? Now...do you think it works for everyone, equally?

I can assure you...it does not. And if you truly believe that it does, it only serves to prove that you have never had to experience what it is like to know, for a fact, that you cannot go to the hospital because it will bankrupt you. Let me further assure you that is an absolutely horrifying realization to have in America...

 

[TandJ]

"No, I've never lived in Canada. I just used the same referances that the other Canadiens in this topic used...everyone gets treatment...and everyone pays for it. It may not be perfect, but it seems to work...for most people in most cases, from what I gather..."

I will put money on it that the other Canadians have never lived outside of Canada eithier.. So they should be considered Biased with their opinion..

"And I will reiterate...the debate is not about a public option. It is about reformation of the current system. It really amazes me that some people feel like there is no need for changes. Ignore "public options". Do you think our current system of private insurance works? Now...do you think it works for everyone, equally? "

Thus you feel insistant Chris that the system will be "more" fixed by creating a system where everyone is treated more fairly?

" I can assure you...it does not. And if you truly believe that it does, it only serves to prove that you have never had to experience what it is like to know, for a fact, that you cannot go to the hospital because it will bankrupt you. Let me further assure you that is an absolutely horrifying realization to have in America... "

I have been in the US for a decade.. I had five years without health insurance, so yes I understand fair well what its like to be on that side of the fence, and I refuse to go back to that type of position.. You now know yourself Chris, that the State of California is not the State to get sick in.. You cannot declare bankruptcy from Medical Bills anymore.. Regardless if your broke or not, there will certainly be a garnishment of wages where ever you go.. I try to be proactive, rather than reactive when the time comes for medical care.. Its not fair that I have to do a job I don't find particularly fun just to make sure my family has some form of coverage, but its what I have to and must do, because I am uneducated for the most part, and guess what.. Thats my fault that I praticaly unhirable for anything with awesome benefits, and it is my fault that at best I have sub par insurance..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[tyflier]

"No, I've never lived in Canada. I just used the same referances that the other Canadiens in this topic used...everyone gets treatment...and everyone pays for it. It may not be perfect, but it seems to work...for most people in most cases, from what I gather..."

I will put money on it that the other Canadians have never lived outside of Canada eithier.. So they should be considered Biased with their opinion..

"And I will reiterate...the debate is not about a public option. It is about reformation of the current system. It really amazes me that some people feel like there is no need for changes. Ignore "public options". Do you think our current system of private insurance works? Now...do you think it works for everyone, equally? "

Thus you feel insistant Chris that the system will be "more" fixed by creating a system where everyone is treated more fairly?

" I can assure you...it does not. And if you truly believe that it does, it only serves to prove that you have never had to experience what it is like to know, for a fact, that you cannot go to the hospital because it will bankrupt you. Let me further assure you that is an absolutely horrifying realization to have in America... "

I have been in the US for a decade.. I had five years without health insurance, so yes I understand fair well what its like to be on that side of the fence, and I refuse to go back to that type of position.. You now know yourself Chris, that the State of California is not the State to get sick in.. You cannot declare bankruptcy from Medical Bills anymore.. Regardless if your broke or not, there will certainly be a garnishment of wages where ever you go.. I try to be proactive, rather than reactive when the time comes for medical care.. Its not fair that I have to do a job I don't find particularly fun just to make sure my family has some form of coverage, but its what I have to and must do, because I am uneducated for the most part, and guess what.. Thats my fault that I praticaly unhirable for anything with awesome benefits, and it is my fault that at best I have sub par insurance..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

I have no idea how it would work. Truth is...neither do you, or anyone else for that matter. I also never said it would definitely be better. I said it would be nice if a few things could be accomplished. I'm not about to sit here and make guesses and assumptions as to how it would work, nor how it would effect me, you, everyone else, the Nation's economy, or the world economy as a whole. Unfortunately...those are the assumptions I am debating against...

Bottom line, for me, as I have continually said in this topic...something needs to change. I don't pretend to know what or how. All I know is that the current state of it is a mess that does NOT operate effectively, efficiently, or for everyone. THOSE things need to change...somehow...

As a side note...I'm one of the millions of reasonably educated, strong, hard-working, and willing individuals that simply cannot find a job that pays better than what I have. And I've been looking...for several years. It's tough to make a decent living when businesses are going under every other week. Sometimes you just gotta grit your teeth and hope for the best. That's what I am doing with the Healthcare Reform possibilities...hoping for the best in a worst-case scenario.

 

[Pruddock]

I have no idea how it would work. Truth is...neither do you, or anyone else for that matter. I also never said it would definitely be better. I said it would be nice if a few things could be accomplished. I'm not about to sit here and make guesses and assumptions as to how it would work, nor how it would effect me, you, everyone else, the Nation's economy, or the world economy as a whole. Unfortunately...those are the assumptions I am debating against...

Bottom line, for me, as I have continually said in this topic...something needs to change. I don't pretend to know what or how. All I know is that the current state of it is a mess that does NOT operate effectively, efficiently, or for everyone. THOSE things need to change...somehow...

As a side note...I'm one of the millions of reasonably educated, strong, hard-working, and willing individuals that simply cannot find a job that pays better than what I have. And I've been looking...for several years. It's tough to make a decent living when businesses are going under every other week. Sometimes you just gotta grit your teeth and hope for the best. That's what I am doing with the Healthcare Reform possibilities...hoping for the best in a worst-case scenario.

Not trying to jump into the argument again as I think I've stated my opinion on it, just asking a question because I honestly do feel for you Chris and understand your position (from what you've described because you are absolutely correct, I've been fortunate enough to never be in the position you are/have been in). My question is whether or not you've looked outside of the state of Cali? Cali is a ridiculously expensive place to live in the US and your money can go a lot further if you're able to live somewhere else. I always wonder why people stay out in Cali and live on the edge of poverty when they could move to, say, Marshalltown, IA where the living expenses are much less and work at Lennox, Emerson Process Management (Fisher), or Swifts where work always seems abundent for people who are relatively educated and willing to work hard.

Not trying to prod or poke you at all here man just simply asking the question because I've always wondered that for people in your situation in Cali.

I feel like you've gotten the impression that I don't believe anybody should be helped at all which is wrong, I just think that it would be better to help somebody by finding them a more achievable situation than the one they're in by helping with relocation or education.

 

[Pruddock]

Sorry for the typos in the above post... didn't spell check too hard...

 

[tyflier]

Not trying to jump into the argument again as I think I've stated my opinion on it, just asking a question because I honestly do feel for you Chris and understand your position (from what you've described because you are absolutely correct, I've been fortunate enough to never be in the position you are/have been in). My question is whether or not you've looked outside of the state of Cali? Cali is a ridiculously expensive place to live in the US and your money can go a lot further if you're able to live somewhere else. I always wonder why people stay out in Cali and live on the edge of poverty when they could move to, say, Marshalltown, IA where the living expenses are much less and work at Lennox, Emerson Process Management (Fisher), or Swifts where work always seems abundent for people who are relatively educated and willing to work hard.

Not trying to prod or poke you at all here man just simply asking the question because I've always wondered that for people in your situation in Cali.

I feel like you've gotten the impression that I don't believe anybody should be helped at all which is wrong, I just think that it would be better to help somebody by finding them a more achievable situation than the one they're in by helping with relocation or education.

Well...I can only speak for myself, and my reasons are fairly personal. In a nutshell, and without getting too deeply personal...I stay where I am so that both myself and my ex-wife have the opportunity for an equal relationship with our daughter. Moving away would mean one of us would be left without her, and I cannot let that happen.

Obviously, there are many, many reasons why I, personally, choose to live where I do. All of them are very personal choices, and none of them will be different because of any healthcare reform. Ultimately...I survive. My daughter is covered, as her mother and I work very hard together to make sure that she is. I'm neither destitute nor starving. I could be doing better, sure, if I lived somewhere else...but only financially. There are more important things to me, and certainly to my daughter, than those which money can buy.

And certainly I am not naive enough to think that a reformation bill will be some all-encompassing miracle that will change everything for the better. I absolutely do NOT believe that. If nothing else, I'm too damn jaded to fall for that. I just think that it can't really be any worse, so...why not give it a go? We've tried one way, it isn't working. So let's try something new, and give IT a chance to work.

As an aside...I could quit my job, and get my daughter all sorts of public assistance if I wanted to. I choose not to because, like most people, I choose to make it on my own. My daughter is well cared for and comfortable. My needs don't matter as long as she has what she needs. That is, perhaps, why I took such strong offense to some of the slander that was thrown around long ago in this thread. It would certainly be easier to quit my job, go on Welfare, and have everything "taken care of". I don't want that, and I absolutely do not expect to get something for nothing...from ANYone. I just want to clarify that...

 

[Pruddock]

Well...I can only speak for myself, and my reasons are fairly personal. In a nutshell, and without getting too deeply personal...I stay where I am so that both myself and my ex-wife have the opportunity for an equal relationship with our daughter. Moving away would mean one of us would be left without her, and I cannot let that happen.

Obviously, there are many, many reasons why I, personally, choose to live where I do. All of them are very personal choices, and none of them will be different because of any healthcare reform. Ultimately...I survive. My daughter is covered, as her mother and I work very hard together to make sure that she is. I'm neither destitute nor starving. I could be doing better, sure, if I lived somewhere else...but only financially. There are more important things to me, and certainly to my daughter, than those which money can buy.

And certainly I am not naive enough to think that a reformation bill will be some all-encompassing miracle that will change everything for the better. I absolutely do NOT believe that. If nothing else, I'm too damn jaded to fall for that. I just think that it can't really be any worse, so...why not give it a go? We've tried one way, it isn't working. So let's try something new, and give IT a chance to work.

As an aside...I could quit my job, and get my daughter all sorts of public assistance if I wanted to. I choose not to because, like most people, I choose to make it on my own. My daughter is well cared for and comfortable. My needs don't matter as long as she has what she needs. That is, perhaps, why I took such strong offense to some of the slander that was thrown around long ago in this thread. It would certainly be easier to quit my job, go on Welfare, and have everything "taken care of". I don't want that, and I absolutely do not expect to get something for nothing...from ANYone. I just want to clarify that...

And all of this is very admirable and understandable. It sounds like you are making the best of your situation and working for what you have.

I don't think anybody who has been anti-health care bill would say that you are in the group of people that are described as "lazy". Unfortunately, I feel like this bill is being created more for those who fall into the "lazy" category and I honestly don't think it is going to do much to help people in your situation. I think the best thing the government could do right now is try to figure out how to regulate the banking industry and along with that comes the insurance industry as a whole. I'm afraid that singling out healthcare is going to do nothing but create another bureaucratic quagmire that sucks money from the American people. Until they can show me a bill that will make me think otherwise I have a hard time believing that the government can do it correctly. Until they do I hope the best for you and your beautiful little girl.

 

[TandJ]

As a side note...I'm one of the millions of reasonably educated, strong, hard-working, and willing individuals that simply cannot find a job that pays better than what I have. And I've been looking...for several years. It's tough to make a decent living when businesses are going under every other week. Sometimes you just gotta grit your teeth and hope for the best.

Heck, I have some form of post secondary education.. Geess.. The first three years in the US I tried to get a job... Even tried to get hired on for minimum wage at a fast food place.. Worked hard to prepare for interviews, and heck, I could not even get a job at Starbucks pouring thier swill.. So I worked cleaning resturants for about a year, for about $3.30 ( 8hrs a day, 7 days a week ) an hr is about what it worked out to.. Supporting two kids and at that time a disabled Wife, so gritting my teeth is something I am more than accustomed to having to do..

Ain't no one ever cried me a river, because no one gave a damn, because I was just some lowly immigrant. I have been told often enough, if I don't like it, go home.. *lol* What ever..

Best of Luck to you Chris.. You really need it..

 

[TandJ]

OT: My CC loved the time when I was forced to purchase food and clothes for my kids.. Believe me, they are not very sympathetic, or empathetic towards me by giving me a discount on what I owe them..

Anyone wanna help me out? Buy some corn snakes!

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[danielle]

But we HAD billions to "aid" the Pakistan army.



Here is the link, http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=11254323

I'm glad the tax payer money went to better use than "free health care in the U.S.".

You just made my point. First off we didn't have billions in aid to give- we put ourselves further in debt to provide this aid. I would rather we put ourselve in debt to aid people in our own country anyday, but then again I would rather we get serious about getting ourselves outta debt to be honest.

Then when we provided these government funds look what happened- it was misused huh thats funny isn't that afterall what happens here now Do you think if our government funds a health care program these funds will be used more efficiently? No, someone's pockets will get fatter no our care will not improve.

How about passing legislation that limits insurance companies from refusing medically necessary care, punishing providers who claim the care is necessary when it isn't, and having our government allocate 1% of all the tax monies received for health care for those who don't qualify for medicaid and medicare? How about making people actually try to get medicaid because many who do qualify haven't even tried which is kinda sad because it is these same people who want it sooooo much right?

There are a million options over complete government control right now and thats what our government should focus on. How can they help insurance companies and providers- not how thy can dip their greedy hands in the pot because if you think our government is doing this out of their love and concern for us low income people your naive.

They will now just reap the billions of dollars a year insurance companies bring in now and not provide us any better care because now it will cut into their profit margins. Watch its going to be ugly

 

[tyflier]

You just made my point. First off we didn't have billions in aid to give- we put ourselves further in debt to provide this aid. I would rather we put ourselve in debt to aid people in our own country anyday, but then again I would rather we get serious about getting ourselves outta debt to be honest.

Then when we provided these government funds look what happened- it was misused huh thats funny isn't that afterall what happens here now Do you think if our government funds a health care program these funds will be used more efficiently? No, someone's pockets will get fatter no our care will not improve.

How about passing legislation that limits insurance companies from refusing medically necessary care, punishing providers who claim the care is necessary when it isn't, and having our government allocate 1% of all the tax monies received for health care for those who don't qualify for medicaid and medicare? How about making people actually try to get medicaid because many who do qualify haven't even tried which is kinda sad because it is these same people who want it sooooo much right?

There are a million options over complete government control right now and thats what our government should focus on. How can they help insurance companies and providers- not how thy can dip their greedy hands in the pot because if you think our government is doing this out of their love and concern for us low income people your naive.

They will now just reap the billions of dollars a year insurance companies bring in now and not provide us any better care because now it will cut into their profit margins. Watch its going to be ugly

Can I borrow your crystal ball? Football season is coming up, and darn it, since your crystal ball is so accurate at predicting precisely how, when, and why everything is giong to work, maybe TandJ and myself can make some money the good old fashioned way...gambling.

As for the part I put in boldface...

Gee...wouldn't that be medical reform? Everything I marked in bold is everything that is supposed to be part of the new bill. So everything you think *should* be done is already part of the consideration for the new bill. Yet here you sit, adamant that it won't work, will cost a fortune to fail, and blablabla...

Yea...regulate the companies. That's priority one (IMO). Both in the medical insurance industry AND on Wall Street. And that's what you're arguing against this whole time...oke:

 

[Pruddock]

Everything I marked in bold is everything that is supposed to be part of the new bill. So everything you think *should* be done is already part of the consideration for the new bill. Yet here you sit, adamant that it won't work, will cost a fortune to fail, and blablabla...

Yea...regulate the companies. That's priority one (IMO). Both in the medical insurance industry AND on Wall Street. And that's what you're arguing against this whole time...oke:

The only problem is that this isn't the ONLY thing in the bill. There is a lot of unnecessary fat in the bill. The biggest worry I have (and I think danielle is expressing but I don't want to be presumptuous) is that the government is going to try and overextend itself AGAIN and end up draining money. If all they were trying to do is create a committee in Congress that is responsible for trying to regulate the insurance companies then that would be GREAT! But, that's not what they want to do. Congress always wants more because, lets face it, elected officials are just as if not more greedy and corrupt than the big business that everybody hates... THAT'S where the concern comes from IMO.