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Look at these!

windowswisher

windowswisher

expert noisemaker
Two-headed snakes? No way! If it was an angry snake, getting bit might kind of hurt after a while! Two heads are better than one . . . :dancer:

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Well, first off there are no cornsnakes in your post so that's the wrong board for this to be in.
Beyond that, snakes with two heads generally suffer quite a bit, few of them reaching adulthood- their neck vertebrates tend to break quite a bit- all in all it's a pretty pitiful existence... one I wouldn't be so excited about anyways.
 
Thats pretty cool! I breed garters and have seen adult two headed snakes. Sure there can be side effects but don't listen to Oren! You didn't mean to upset people. Welcome to the forum nice picture!
 
snakemaster24 said:
Thats pretty cool! I breed garters and have seen adult two headed snakes. Sure there can be side effects but don't listen to Oren! You didn't mean to upset people. Welcome to the forum nice picture!
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No one is upset, it's a fact that such mutations cause a deal of pain and suffering to the animal and advocating how supposedly cool it is makes people think it's desirable.
Your post however earned you yet again a spot in my ignore list, and this time I think I am not going to repeat the mistake of removing it. Gosh, I have yet to see a useful post out of you, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
Kokopelli said:
No one is upset, it's a fact that such mutations cause a deal of pain and suffering to the animal and advocating how supposedly cool it is makes people think it's desirable.
Your post however earned you yet again a spot in my ignore list, and this time I think I am not going to repeat the mistake of removing it. Gosh, I have yet to see a useful post out of you, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
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Oren you are not looking past wha you WANT tot hink of me. I am glad I am on your ignore list
 
I really don't think it makes people want to buy a two-headed snake; I certainly don't. I assume that most people on this board are responsible pet-owners who have some level of interest in snakes' care and well-being and wouldn't purchase a two-headed snake just because they thought it looked "cool" sans some serious research.

Call me naiive, but I was unaware that such a thing existed.

However, thought it was fascinating and wanted to share. I didn't mean to advocate the purchase of one of these snakes, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to be purchasing that $20,000 two-headed boa just because I shared some pictures of a couple of curious, mutated animals that came unexpectedly out of a breeder's batch.

I really think some common courtesy would be beneficial to some people here.
 
Another naiive question, perhaps, but it's two functioning snakes with separate brains sharing one body? Cohabbing can cause stress, but I wonder if sharing a body causes the animal mental anguish as well (physical, obviously, yes)?

Hrm.
 
Kokopelli said:
Well, first off there are no cornsnakes in your post so that's the wrong board for this to be in.
Beyond that, snakes with two heads generally suffer quite a bit, few of them reaching adulthood- their neck vertebrates tend to break quite a bit- all in all it's a pretty pitiful existence... one I wouldn't be so excited about anyways.
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Who pissed in your wheaties today? No one breeds these guys on purpose...it's a fluke that can not be controled. It happens to be interesting. How do you know they suffer? Do you understand snake speech?

Personally I like the pictures..I have seen many two headed snakes but not those particular two. Interesting. As far as cohabbing...It probably is weird but they don't know anything different I guess.
 
Wow it looks like Tara and me sorta agree! *raises hand for high five* Oren here is a new member showing pics of something they find interesting and you respond like they are breeding for that trait! I don't care if you put me on your ignore list I would rather be there! Be ncie the the Newbie! I find those pics interesting. I would like to observe this and hope to in the future.
 
I can see that the snake might well be suffering ~and~ see that it is very interesting biologically at the same time. In mammals I don't think these bicephalic babies ever survive very long (hours at most) but reptiles are definitely not mammals so I am still very curious about their situation. It's interesting how 1 fertilized egg can get diverted into making twin embryos/hatchlings or this sort of thing. It's even more interesting to me to see if and how well everything connects up. Can a bicephalic reptile eat? I guess, if one survived 8 years it clearly could and did eat regular meals.

I realize it's gruesome too, and I would never think we should try to bring this sort of thing about, but it does point to how development occurs (embryology is WAY COOL) and to how resilient the body plan is that they ever make it to hatching, let alone one surviving as the link mentioned, for 8 years.
 
whippet said:
Who pissed in your wheaties today? No one breeds these guys on purpose...it's a fluke that can not be controled. It happens to be interesting. How do you know they suffer? Do you understand snake speech?

Personally I like the pictures..I have seen many two headed snakes but not those particular two. Interesting. As far as cohabbing...It probably is weird but they don't know anything different I guess.
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Actually I have a documented report by a vet technician who studied lives of several such animals- broken neck vertebrates occurred repeatedly. Most of them don't enjoy longevity either- feel free to check medical documents about it.

No one is trying to breed them on purpose... says who? And even if not at the moment, certain people will, if they see there's a market demand. Some people have no qualm about selling IBD carrying snakes- all for the sake of money.

It's a fluke? possibly- but so are kinks, even morphs- these are all mutations. If you try to breed two double headed snakes whose to say you're not increasing chances for the phenomena to reoccur?

So no, as far as I am concerned, it's far from being cool and I would really prefer not to see this phenomena encouraged as the animal -is- suffering because of it.
 
windowswisher said:
I really don't think it makes people want to buy a two-headed snake; I certainly don't. I assume that most people on this board are responsible pet-owners who have some level of interest in snakes' care and well-being and wouldn't purchase a two-headed snake just because they thought it looked "cool" sans some serious research.

Call me naiive, but I was unaware that such a thing existed.

However, thought it was fascinating and wanted to share. I didn't mean to advocate the purchase of one of these snakes, and I seriously doubt anyone's going to be purchasing that $20,000 two-headed boa just because I shared some pictures of a couple of curious, mutated animals that came unexpectedly out of a breeder's batch.

I really think some common courtesy would be beneficial to some people here.
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I have no problem with you sharing a picture, nor do I even mind the fact that you like it- even if you wanted to keep one, I wouldn't think any less of you.
You didn't advocate anything. This is a subject I feel strongly about and I simply shared information and my own stand. I don't see any criticism in my post aimed at you- I can understand why you perhaps thought there was, but nothing was directly aimed at you.
There are people who "oooo" and "aaah" about this phenomena, and there -are- actually people who pay a lot of money for them. All I did was lay some facts. As for the posting in the wrong board... you kind of did.

You posted an enthusiastic post about them... I tempered it with some sad facts... and that's all there was to it.
 
windowswisher said:
Wow, I appreciate because I live in Austin, and many of these animals were found close to where I live. Too cool!
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I used to live on Lake Travis, my friends worked at Cedar Street, the martini bar ( don't know if it's still there?). I remeber all the scorpions we had there in the hill country...especially at a certain time of the year, they were everywhere, my GF, at the time got stund right on the butt when she jumped into bed and I got it on the hand picking up a pair of shorts, those little ones really hurt and the pain lasted for a long time... loved Austin, great city!
 
whippet said:
No one breeds these guys on purpose...
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Interesting note, the guy that produced that bearded dragon I posted earlier has had a few two-headed ones, this was just the only that lived long enough to sell. He keeps breeding the same female, and she regularly throws twins, including periodic conjoined twins. Most are dead in the egg. He keeps breeding her intentionally trying to make more two-headed dragons, despite the rather hot debate on whether or not he should do this and whether it's genetics or a problem with the female's reproductive system causing the high rate of occurrences.

Not saying you're wrong... just THAT guy really is doing it on purpose, which has turned into a rather controversial topic.
 
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