ObamaCare and me By Zane F Pollard, MD

[mike17l]

Good news the U.S Preventive Services Task Force (a gov sponsored group) has determined breast cancer is no longer a concern. No more self exams, no more mammograms before 50, and only every couple years after that. Also no screening needed after 74, that money will be used for end of life counseling.

Maybe a preemptive strike by the gov so they have something to point to under the new gov insurance why they won't pay for it. :shrugs: Odd thing though there are no oncologists on the task force. Oh well I am sure the gov has our best interests at heart, or in this case boob. (sorry ladies I am not intending to make lite of a serious situation)

I heard that on Fox News, so despite the fact that it actually happened and was reported by other "legitimate news sources", it must be fake. LIAR!!! :bang:

 

[tyflier]

Good news the U.S Preventive Services Task Force (a gov sponsored group) has determined breast cancer is no longer a concern. No more self exams, no more mammograms before 50, and only every couple years after that. Also no screening needed after 74, that money will be used for end of life counseling.

Maybe a preemptive strike by the gov so they have something to point to under the new gov insurance why they won't pay for it. :shrugs: Odd thing though there are no oncologists on the task force. Oh well I am sure the gov has our best interests at heart, or in this case boob. (sorry ladies I am not intending to make lite of a serious situation)

Actually, Shame on you for turning legitimate research from different countries based on actual science and psychological reasoning into a piece of fodder to hurl about in a political debate.

You people are low. Did you actually read the article? If so, than you are aware that the research was started in Denmark, not Obama's house, and that it is based on psychological implications of repeated false negatives, not a sudden determination that "cancer is no longer a concern".

I can't believe the depths of the scum I'm reading. Taking a legitimate, scientific and psychological decision and using it to further your own personal agendas is about as low as I've seen anyone go in this topic. You two disgust me.

 

[tyflier]

I heard that on Fox News, so despite the fact that it actually happened and was reported by other "legitimate news sources", it must be fake. LIAR!!! :bang:

No, it's not fake. It's absolutely real.

It has nothing to do with Obama. It has nothing to do with the proposed health reform. The research wasn't even started in the U.S. But you three wil be certain to leave all the ACTUAL facts out, just so you can turn this into more ammunition in your own agendas.

The worst part is, this is based on actual, real scientific research and psychological investigation into the effects of false negatives and annual screenings. And still you three would turn it into something completely different to further your own agenas.

You three can't even be classified as human. You disgust me.

 

[tyflier]

Good news the U.S Preventive Services Task Force (a gov sponsored group) has determined breast cancer is no longer a concern.

Wrong. They determined that the psychological impacts of repeated false negatives due to yearly screenings outweighed the benefit of yearly screenings.

No more self exams, no more mammograms before 50, and only every couple years after that.

Uhh...yea...no self exams...that makes sense. It wasn't mentioned ANYwhere in the article I read or the news I heard. You ilke to make stuff up, don't you?

Also no screening needed after 74, that money will be used for end of life counseling.

Boy...more making stuff up I see. You wanna show me where the boldfaced part is even remotely part of the recommendations? :shrugs:

Maybe a preemptive strike by the gov so they have something to point to under the new gov insurance why they won't pay for it. :shrugs: Odd thing though there are no oncologists on the task force. Oh well I am sure the gov has our best interests at heart, or in this case boob. (sorry ladies I am not intending to make lite of a serious situation)

Or maybe it had nothing to do with the government, less to do with Obama, and even less to do with the medical reform proposals. Youi can make uop anything you want it doesn't make it true. And why would you need an oncologist to research the psychological effects of false positives? Seems to me an oncologist would have VERY little input on research into the psychological effects of false positives.

The research has, actually, very little to do with cancer. It is research into the psychological effects of FALSE positives. It was started in a different country. And the group continuing the research here, in the U.S. has been around a LOT longer than Obama OR medical reform.

So...you wana try coming back to reality and actually comprehending what you read in news articles, before jumping to wrong conclusions, and making stuff up to fill in the blanks?

 

[tsst]

Shame on you for not providing a link. (You know ""they"" will need it otherwise it's just heresay and right wing propoganda.)

http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=44300

D80

I'm sorry. Should I go kill myself now? :grin01:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/16/mammography.recommendation.changes/index.html

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/11/18/MNLT1ALVJA.DTL

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/17/breast.cancer.self.exams/index.html#cnnSTCText

 

[starsevol]

The story I saw on the news was reported by Brian Williams....channel 10 here ( I think NBC).

What I took away from the report was that mammograms before age 50 are considered unneccessry and self exam is now considered unneccessary....

My own mother found a lump during her self exam....and is now alive because of it.

 

[Drizzt80]

Should I go kill myself now?

Don't know. :shrugs: Someone else is in charge of that . . .

D80

 

[tyflier]

NONE of that changes the FACT that the group making the recommendations is older than the Obama administration, is not connected to the Obama administration, and certainly isn't associated with the proposed medical reform legislation. The research was started in Denmark for goodness sake.

I don't know whether I agree with the recommendations being made or not. I can't have an opinion, as I am not informed enough about breast cancer, breast cancer screening, and all the other aspects of it to HAVE an opinion on the recommendations.

What I DO know is that using this situation as a basis of attack against the proposed legislation is simply disgusting. It's more made up garbage. It's just like the made up lies that caused everyone to get up in arms over indoctrination. It's just like the made up garbage that has insane people running around questioniung Obama's right to the presidency because he wasn't born in America when he has a Hawaiian birth certificate.

You people(VERY loose...) will grasp any flipping straw you can, completely unrelated to the topic or the proposal, and turn it into a personal affront led by Obama himself as an attack on te American People.

So...when does the spaceship leave to take you all back to whatever planet you came here from? I wish I could make up my own reality as easily as you things do...

 

[tyflier]

Don't know. :shrugs: Someone else is in charge of that . . .

D80

Aww...poor wittle Brent is gonna cry again. BooHoo...

Need a tissue?

So...who IS in charge of that? Maybe I could give them a call and speed things along for you...

 

[mike17l]

So...who IS in charge of that? Maybe I could give them a call and speed things along for you...

Pretty sure he was referring to this post: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=943472&postcount=43

If you are not familiar with it, it is the one in which you suggested that another member do one of two things; either grow up (meaning agree with you) or kill them self (meaning kill them self).

Do you know if Kyle ever saw the huffpo link where Matthews talked about the "thrill running down his leg"?

 

[Drizzt80]

Maybe I could give them a call and speed things along for you...

Sparky, go ahead and keep up on the public threats/implications of violence and such and we'll see where it gets you. I'll just keep copying and printing them off and holding onto them.

D80

 

[wstphal]

I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive my ignorance to what has already been posted, argued and/or addressed. However, I recently ran across a physician's practice that, in light of the proposed bill, institued their own version of reform. To be accepted as a patient in this practice, one has to fork out $2K up front, and then still pay for office visits, scripts, etc. He no longer accepts private insurance. I don't know if this is legal or not, I simply declined and sought out another practice, but my hope is that this isn't a sign of things to come. Doctors here do not seem exactly thrilled with the proposed bill.

This is called "concierge medicine". It is perfectly legal, and has been around for about 10 years, so clearly predates the "Obamacare" firestorm.

There are a number of reasons why physicians are not thrilled with the proposed bill. Since this thread reads like a political argument, I won't go into them.

 

[wstphal]

Good news the U.S Preventive Services Task Force (a gov sponsored group) has determined breast cancer is no longer a concern. No more self exams, no more mammograms before 50, and only every couple years after that. Also no screening needed after 74, ...

USPSTF has been around for several decades. I do feel this recommendation is based on $$ but I highly doubt it was requested by the White House or Congress. It was developed by people who do Public Health, and from that perspective, tiny increases in benefit brought about by very large costs are not worth it. To the individual patient & her physician, a very large cost that saved her life is absolutely worth it, but from a Public Health perspective, that money would be better spent somewhere else on something that saved MORE lives.

Without protection from medical malpractice suits brought by patients whose breast cancer wasn't detected a year sooner, physicians aren't going to implement this one unless a law is passed that prevents them from doing annual mammograms starting at age 40, BTW. So I doubt much will change on the ground.

 

[Drizzt80]

Uhh...yea...no self exams...that makes sense. It wasn't mentioned ANYwhere in the article I read or the news I heard. You ilke to make stuff up, don't you?

Hey Sparky, read much? (Bolding is my own for your benefit.)

The USPSTF “recommends against clinicians teaching women how to perform breast self-examination.”

http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=44300

D80

PS. And yes, I will refer to you as Sparky until Deano or some other mod has decided that your threats of violence and harm are worthy of some sort of significant consequence. Until then, I'll just use a harmless pet name that bothers you.

 

[tsst]

USPSTF has been around for several decades. I do feel this recommendation is based on $$ but I highly doubt it was requested by the White House or Congress. It was developed by people who do Public Health, and from that perspective, tiny increases in benefit brought about by very large costs are not worth it. To the individual patient & her physician, a very large cost that saved her life is absolutely worth it, but from a Public Health perspective, that money would be better spent somewhere else on something that saved MORE lives.

I can't disagree with anything you said except the implication that my quote was indicating this was directed by the White House or Congress. I really have no idea who controls that task force. If you are referring to the "(a gov sponsored group)" part. That was a reference to this quote from the second link in post #265.

But now an influential government task force ...

Without protection from medical malpractice suits brought by patients whose breast cancer wasn't detected a year sooner, physicians aren't going to implement this one unless a law is passed that prevents them from doing annual mammograms starting at age 40, BTW. So I doubt much will change on the ground.

I agree, that is until the gov takes more control.

 

[KJUN]

You three can't even be classified as human. You disgust me.

...and you can't debate anything without resorting to insults because you lack facts, truth, honesty, and a firm grasp of the reality of historic events.

 

[mike17l]

...and you can't debate anything without resorting to insults because you lack facts, truth, honesty, and a firm grasp of the reality of historic events.

History has nothing to with what is happening now. What are you thinking? No we have never seen in history where an individual has had a similar rise to power and then ruined a country. :bang:

 

[wstphal]

I can't disagree with anything you said except the implication that my quote was indicating this was directed by the White House or Congress. I really have no idea who controls that task force. If you are referring to the "(a gov sponsored group)" part. That was a reference to this quote from the second link in post #265.

tsst, I wasn't trying to implicate you. I was trying to share info about the USPSTF. I don't really want to get into the politics here, just to give information. I was referring to the "a gov sponsored group" part. I guess I should indicate whose posts I am referencing.

 

[tyflier]

Pretty sure he was referring to this post: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=943472&postcount=43

If you are not familiar with it, it is the one in which you suggested that another member do one of two things; either grow up (meaning agree with you) or kill them self (meaning kill them self).

Do you know if Kyle ever saw the huffpo link where Matthews talked about the "thrill running down his leg"?

Oh, I know full well what it was referring to...and by "it", I am not referring to the post...

Don't really care about a "huffpo" link. If it's any where near the ridiculous, retarded logic that has been spewed in this topic of late...he probably doesn't care either...

It's funny how none of you seem to be able to debate the actual, real facts of this topic, and would much rather run around the internet, posting anything remotely related to medical care, and blame that on Obama.

And when those associations are quickly and easily shot down as retarded logic and wholly unrelated to the actual topic...you jump straight away to trying to wring one last drop of criticism out of a post that is old and blown out of proportion...

"You're out of touch, out of time, out of touch, out of tiiime..." not to mention outta your mind...

 

[tyflier]

Sparky, go ahead and keep up on the public threats/implications of violence and such and we'll see where it gets you. I'll just keep copying and printing them off and holding onto them.

D80

Don'ty cry, Brent. There is no threat in anyting I've typed...implied or otherwise. And if you take the pages to a lawyer, I'm quite positive he will tell you the same thing...