Please help my Dekays.

[LBoz]

Actually not, I meant to quote Dean's post. Fixed.

 

[DarkSmoke]

Maybe. Maybe not. We will never know. But one thing is certain...it had a better chance in the wild than in your care, didn't it?

true. but of course i didn't know a thing that time about snakes
but again it wasnt me who stole it from the wild.

 

[DarkSmoke]

It's really quite simple. Some snakes adapt to captivity. Some do not. Those that do not can and often will develope stress related injuries and illnesses. Absolutely, stress CAN BE a cause of prolapse. Absolutely stress CAN be deadly.

DeKay's Brown Snakes are one of the species KNOWN to adapt poorly to captivity. Can they be kept successfulyl? Absolutely. However, this typically requires someone with a solid foundation in the proper care of their species, and a concentrated observation of their stress levels.

The fact of the matter is that stress is a very real issue for wild caught snakes. It's a very real issue for captive bred snakes. It's a very real issue for reptiles in captivity in general. Yes, all of our captive propogated species came from wild lineage. You're right about that. But captive populations are established by people with knowledge and experience in the animals, and an effort to monitor andcontrol stress levels.

To say that "snakes don't stress" is just wrong. Bad, bad information. They DO stress out, and they CAN die from it. Period. This is not debateable as it is a fact. That doesn't mean they always do. But it DOES happen.

of course , and thats what i said. because people here make it 100% ovious that once a snake is captured from the wild it dies the way they were acting. my point was that they can be tammed and adapted. and of ocurse they can stress out and die too.

 

[DarkSmoke]

Ok,, 1 to 2 yrs is not long term capativity for any wild species.. No heatmat ( I think this what you were trying to say.. ) and hibernating... Umm snakes do not hibernate... Sunshine, you have a ton to learn ..

Listen Sunshine,

i Know that snakes don't hibenrnate. they brumate.
Brumation is an example of dormancy in reptiles that is similar to hibernation. It differs from hibernation in the metabolic processes involved.

you can still call it hibernation , but ok Sunshine, we'll call it brumation if thats what you want

 

[DarkSmoke]

and finally im gonna shut up cause that thing again is gonna start that i say something, 4of you say something back, i say something back, finally after wasting a hell load of time you'll just start being nervous and depressed at me. and someday soon im gonna and up banned form making some people really depresed here lofl.

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

You aren't depressin anyone, Sunshine. Except maybe the people who care about snakes and don't really want them in the hands of someone trying to "tame" them.

 

[snakemom1961]

true. but of course i didn't know a thing that time about snakes
but again it wasnt me who stole it from the wild.

The only thing I can say to that is RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH. If you are going to take in an animal, I hope you will do your research BEFORE you decide to keep the animal.
I've done that for a couple of rescues and realized their care was too specialized for me to properly care for them and released them in a habitat that was what they naturally live in.
I hope you have learned that in the future you don't just take any snake out of the wild and hope to be able to give it a happy home. Most wild snakes will not do well in captivity and deserve to stay in their natural habitat.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

true. but of course i didn't know a thing that time about snakes
but again it wasnt me who stole it from the wild.

If you DIDN'T know how to care for it, then why the HELL did you keep it?! I'm sorry, but that's insanely ridiculous, and you should be banned from keeping anything until you do the proper research for the animals care. The fact that you didn't take it from the wild is about the stupidest argument I've ever heard from anyone. Why not just let it go and get a nice captive bred specimen from a pet store? That would just make the most logical sense to me.



Story time!
I had a beautiful wild caught adult black racer. Anyone who lives where these guys are natives knows that they're not exactly the friendliest of snakes, and can be bitey, flighty, nervous little buggers. I had her in a beautiful 29 gallon tank that was rather tall with a branch in it for her to climb. I'd looked up racer care before, so knew what her requirements were. However, whenever I would walk into the snake room, her tail would start rattling, and she would thrash around in her viv. She would knock over the branch, and flip (and throw) her water bowl and hide. After a week of this, I decided that she would never be well adapted to captivity and made the decision to release her. If I wouldn't have, she would have been overly stressed, and probably have died in a matter of days. Since I released her, I've seen her in my back yard at least 6-7 times. She's a beautiful animal, and I can enjoy her beauty in the wild as it was intended to be. At least she's alive and can go on to reproduce, and maybe I can catch a baby next year. And if it doesn't do well, I'll release it. Every w/c keeper should be able to recognize when their snake is not doing well in captivity and make the executive decision to release it.

 

[tyflier]

of course , and thats what i said. because people here make it 100% ovious that once a snake is captured from the wild it dies the way they were acting. my point was that they can be tammed and adapted. and of ocurse they can stress out and die too.

But that's NOT what you said. What you said was that wild caught snakes don't stress out and die becxause they are not as sensitive as we think they are...which is crap. Snakes DO stress out and die, all the time. You came into this topic, quoted me, said I was wrong, and I have been catching wild snakes for longer than you've been alive.

NOBODY claimed that keeping a wild snakes means it will die. I claimed that keeping a wild snake without knowing how to care for it can kill it. I said taking a snake from the wild without knowing how to care for it's injuries can kill it. And a few people said that this particular snake isn't going to make it based on the descriptions and photos. ALL of that is 100% accurate. You are not.

And just to make things clear...wild snakes cannot be "tammed". They can become accustomed to being handled, and they can adapt to captivity, but that snake will ALWAYS be wild. You have a TON to learn in this hobby, and every post ou make in this topic is a demonstration of bad information and ignorance.

You aren't "depressing" me. I couldn't possibly care less about what YOU do to the snakes in Malta. Kill 'em all, for all I care. But keep you horrible advice to yourself because frnakly, you don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and...it doesn't matter who caught the snake. The bottom line is YOU KILLED IT. How's that make you feel? Proud of yourself, ain't you...

 

[DarkSmoke]

i killed him ? read well before you accuse, i told you it died after spending about a your at my uncle. i only kept him for a month lol

 

[DarkSmoke]

anyways, forget me. dude how's that snake doing?

 

[TandJ]

Listen Sunshine,

i Know that snakes don't hibenrnate. they brumate.
Brumation is an example of dormancy in reptiles that is similar to hibernation. It differs from hibernation in the metabolic processes involved.

you can still call it hibernation , but ok Sunshine, we'll call it brumation if thats what you want

Sunshine is actually a term of endearment for a younger person.. Generally its shared between a parent and off spring .. So its not intended to be insulting.. Would Grasshopper have been taken as being many, much more nice ?? *G*

If you fair well understand the difference between hibernation and brumation why does it seem to be so terribly tough for you to understand the idea about keeping WC, and fairly tough to keep animal at that.. Its not a matter of being cold hearted or not even caring about an animal, its more of the likelyhood of where it probably should have been left.. Although I would never personally leave an animal to suffer eithier if at all possible..


You can give me the arguement that maybe the corns we keep should not be kept in captivity, but corns are pretty well some of the most domesticated snakes in the hobby, and something else of consideration for you is that the amount of snakes that are captive bred now, can and does fill the wants and desires of the hobbiest, and essentially there is very little need or use to remove a WC for captivity.

I don't quite understand why the advice given seems to be thought of as negative.. We might not know everything, but at least what I see is some pretty sound advice.. *shrugs* Good luck...

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[tyflier]

i killed him ? read well before you accuse, i told you it died after spending about a your at my uncle. i only kept him for a month lol

Well...you took it, gave it to your uncle, and never provided it with heat. So yea...in essence, you killed it.

I'm not here to debate over the merits of wild caught animals. Pretty much everyone on this site knows that I keep quite a few w/c snakes, and I am actually a supporter of legal collection for private keepers...as long as they do right by the snake. And in order to do right by the snake, there are several ground rules that MUST be followed. The first of these, and absolutely not the last, is that you NEED to know how to care for it, and you NEED to consider the fact that adapting to captivity is not something all snakes do well. Not even of the same species. I have tried ad failed(and released) longnose snakes in the past. I currently have one that has adapted beautifully and takes mice like a champe.

Ultimately, snakes are individuals. Stress levels, adaptability, ease of keeping, temperment...these things are going to vary from snake to snake, not just species to species.

I don't mean to be condescending or "mean". I know I often come off that way. That isn't my intent, and no matter how hard I try not to...it always happens. What I really want is to help if I can, and offer what experience I have for anyone willing to accept it. That's really all I want to do in this thread...

 

[DarkSmoke]

what happened with this snake? no more news? :S

 

[Teddy Roosevelt]

I suspect that we'll never be told the sad conclusion of this snake's miserable tale. Still, I hope for the best!

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[salvadorian]

the reason you haven't received any updates is because the person who originally posted this thread left to forum due to the way she was being treated and the lack of help she received. i have been in contact with her, however, and the snake is fine and will soon be released.

 

[tyflier]

the reason you haven't received any updates is because the person who originally posted this thread left to forum due to the way she was being treated and the lack of help she received. i have been in contact with her, however, and the snake is fine and will soon be released.

Defin; "Fine"...

This person recieved the best possible help and advice she could have, whether she believes it or not...

 

[salvadorian]

Ok, by "fine", the snake is healed, and soon will be back in the wild.
And I would have left too in that situation.

 

[LBoz]

Salvo, you're going to find that this forum is more passionate about the animals than they might be toward the feelings of the members. Your friend received good, albeit "strong," advice.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Salvo, you're going to find that this forum is more passionate about the animals than they might be toward the feelings of the members. Your friend received good, albeit "strong," advice.

"You must spread some rep around yadda yadda yadda..."