Nova_C
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It's not, though. That's like saying welfare is universal. Having to jump through hoops and meet all sorts of qualifications is pretty much the antithesis to 'universal'.
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ObamaCare and me By Zane F Pollard, MD
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It's not, though. That's like saying welfare is universal. Having to jump through hoops and meet all sorts of qualifications is pretty much the antithesis to 'universal'.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
No, I am suggesting that people of celebrity and fame DO get preferential treatment, regardless of the means of delivery.
D80
tyflier
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I would expect nothing less than unfoudned personal attacks from you, KJUN. It does seem to be your motis operandi, in almost every "debate" you've ever participated in.
Your classic response...if you don't think and feel like I do than you are lazy, socialist, liberal, tree-hugging hippy. Of course, I summarized, rather than picking through the rest of your worthless posts and quoting directly.
You should seriously just sit there with your smug sile on your face, and forget about participating in these debates. Every post you make only further strengthens the position that your personal issues are not based on any political merit, but rather formed from some conspiracy theory, or paranoid delusion. You posts are so blatantly laced with anti-liberal sentiment and blatant insults, it isn't even funny.
In fact...how DARE you call me lazy or any other such word without everhaving met me in your LIFE?!?! You have no idea who I am, where I come from, nor how much effort it takes to get to where I am. Quite frankly...you can go F yourself. Your posts are garbage, your attitude is garbage, and your blatant and apparent disrespect and insulting of anyone that doesn't agree with you is less than immature. It's downright childish.
Grow up...or kill yourself. Either way, the world would be a better place...
Pruddock
Gig 'Em Ags!! Whoop!!
Little excited? It's an online political debate man... You can turn it off or ignore it... I do that to multiple members on the forum. Just ignore it if you can't stand it. No need to tell somebody to go kill themself
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tyflier
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The government "can't" run Medicaid, because conservatives and Republicans have battled medical reform with tooth, nail, deceit, and scare tactics since Clinton first proposed it 6 months after HE took office.(also, as an aside... "Universal Health Care" would imply that everyone qualifies. This is absolutely NOT the case with our current government run medical insurance programs. And even though you already know this...you won't acknowledge it because it doesn't fit in with your preconcieved notions and biases. If you did...your argumetns would fail)
See...it's really difficult to complain about the current state of affairs when you refuse to allow change. Every effort made since the inception of Medicaid has been thwarted from the right by calling it socialism. Half the people that are scared to death of "socialism" couldn't give you an accurate political definition of the term. They just know it scares them, because their favorite partisan politician told them it was bad.
And why not blindly accept the idea that the government can help? You've blindly accepted that they can't. You've blindly accepted that it will be disastrous. You've blindly accepted all kinds of falsehoods, myths, and rumours without even giving them the most remote thought. Why not blindly accept something positive? Better yet...don't blindly accept it. Just STOP blindly accepting all of the negative CRAP you are being fed, and give something new a chance.
Oh wait...can't do that. That would mean a change in the satus quo. It also might mean **GASP** being wrong about something. Can't have that, now, can we?
And don't make excuses for paranoia. Paranoia is just that...delusions based on assumptions and false complexes. There is no excuse for paranoia, other than just being paranoid and ill-informed.
The same is happening with business law reform. People are scared to death that it will lead to the demise of the capitalist system, and ultimately make the US another USSR. And it's all based on scare tactics, myths, unfounded assumptions, and people's inability to accept that change can be good...even BETTER...than what we are used to. Problem is...we NEED this reform, just as desperately as we need a reform of the current state of medicine in this country.
But of course...you will most likely comeback with another myth to debate THOSE ideas, too...right? Let me guess...the government can't monitor it's own finances, so we can't trust them to oversee big business, right? Pay no mind to the FACT that big business has failed in it's attempts to self regulate. Forget about the FACT that it is the BS practices of big business that destroyed our economy(if you can call what we had an economy). Pay no mind to the FACT that if big business was regulated more closely, and NOT allowed to simply leverage debts in whatever manner they choose, charge ridiculous percentages on investments, and basically rob you blind while they pack away your money...our economy would not be sitting squarely in the poor house.
Go ahead and ignore all that. I know you will, because the right has you convinced that it's because of loaning money to people that can't repay(false), and the welfare system(also false)...Ignore the 9x leveraging of said debts. Ignore the "big risk" investments that originally cut the investor's money. Forget about the FACT that currently the richest nations in the world already HAVE government oversight of big business...and they are QUITE successful with their economy...
Which brings us back to medical reform. While you're crying about socialism and socialized medicine...you can go ahead and forget the fact that while we have the best and the brightest doctors working in this country, only 1/3 of our population recieves adequate medical care, countries with "socialized medicine" and "medical rations" have a MUCH higher percentage of quality care, and MUCH fewer destitutes and lower middle-class suffering needlessly for lack of medfical care.
We'll just ignore all of that in favor of returning to the status quo that put us here in the first place. That way...you, and KJUN, and Payton and others can all feel justified in your insults, myths, and scare tactics....
Of course...when a Republican Conservative gets elected to office, I am fairly confident that you and others will be screaming about the "hole" that Obama has put us in, regardless if the bill passes or not. Than you can call for reform and change, and blame the whole shebang on Obama. Wouldn't that make you happy?
See...I can bring partisanship and insults to the game, too...
tyflier
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Little excited? It's an online political debate man... You can turn it off or ignore it... I do that to multiple members on the forum. Just ignore it if you can't stand it. No need to tell somebody to go kill themself
May not be necessary, But I enjoyed it. And I meant it. Still do. Probably will come tomorrow as well. His input would be just as worthy so...what difference would it make in the grand scheme of things?
And for clarification, I am NOT wishing death on him. That would be uncalled for. I'm merely asking him to do the world a favor...one way or the other...Remember that "kill yourself" was not my only suggestion...
When there are several pages of rigorous debate that refrained frmo direct insults is interrupted by his drivel and purposeful insults...it's frustrating. Not to mention childish and ric\diculous. It's OK for KJUN to be a baby and call names, but I can't tell him to kill himself? Nah...I don't see it that way. If he can insult me, I can tell him to kill himself. Justice is served...
BTW...if you don't like what I posted...you can ignore it...
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
As a self-confessed spelling and grammar "Nazi" (please, feel free to make the comparisons to Hitler), I'm curious; to which particular thread from "once upon a recent time" are you referring?
Because without citing any particular instance, one could come off looking like a passive/aggressive WATB.
Just sayin'. :shrugs:
Dale
tyflier
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mike17l
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Not why should they get it, but why do they deserve it?
Nova_C
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I don't think that they do.
However, my personal belief is that it is up to a nation, particularly ones as well off as the first world nations, to ensure a certain standard of living for it's people. Each nation has a different idea as to what that standard of living is, but for me, and for many Canadians, and many Europeans, that standard of living includes access to basic health care services.
It has nothing to do with what someone 'deserves'.
Pruddock
Gig 'Em Ags!! Whoop!!
You realize Medicare just changed its drug rationing system right? And you continue to use plenty of statistics yourself and I don't see you backing them up with anything and I don't here jazz asking for you to please justify your responses. Where the hell do you get off saying only 1/3 of the population receives decent healthcare? That's absolute crap man and I have NEVER seen a number that low. What country are you living in? Afghanistan?
Chris, do you not see how extreme YOUR arguments are? I must ask what has you so bitter towards conservatives? Do you realize that the social structure that is currently in place in this country were only supposed to be installed for a brief period of time during the Great Depression and revoked as the economy recovered? FDR says that in his memoirs and in his beliefs about his programs that we still receive today. One of the most socialist Presidents we have ever had even understands the minimal need for government to step in and save people and the extreme conditions that must be reached for them to be justified. Interestingly enough, if you look at his programs and when they were enacted and why they were enacted it really reflects much the same place we're in right now. Even more interesting is that after all of the 100 days programs were installed (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.) the economy was in a WORSE state than it was before they were installed and taxes were hiked. I have yet to see a public program that HAS worked to help better the American "status quo" that you like to refer to.
Not all change is good change Chris. Unfortunately you are so hateful towards those who believe different than you that you have your eyes blinded to that.
I hate to say this but as you continue to create these extremely lengthy, babbling, repetitive posts about how evil and greedy 53% of us who don't want the health care are, you continue to make it sound like it is actually you who is saying Baaahhh. You say that you hate slander and scare tactics yet I can't find a post in here that doesn't seem to contain some sort of the exact same partisanship you seem to hate. I know you're going to say "fighting partisanship with partisanship" but didn't your parents ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right. If it is something you TRULY see as wrong, then don't stoop yourself to it. If you're a hypocrite, which at this point I have to believe you are, then continue to use it at will. I for one, am tired of reading it and am starting to see it become blame babble more and more... I'm out man. Sorry to have to end it. :awcrap:
Pruddock
Gig 'Em Ags!! Whoop!!
Your gettin' old Dale. Do you really need him to re-post your own post from that thread? It was you who got on Camby about not having Adult Communication skills because of misspelling... Memory fail...
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jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Conversely, why does the USA have the shortest life expectancy of all the nations in the G5? Why is it the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't have some sort of government-sponsored health insurance program for ALL of its citizens? Why does it consume 1/6th of our GDP?
Dale
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Is it the healthcare? Or is it that we eat too much, eat food that is bad for us, drink too much, do too many drugs, have too much unprotected sex, and shoot each other wayyy too much?
mike17l
Self-Admitted Duckoholic
If it is all that, it can only be explained as George Bush's fault.
Dale, thanks for answering the question.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
I'm sure that's part of the equation. Do you think that health care (and it actually should be called "disease treatment") is one sixth of our GDP because of diet and STDs, however?
Is it that we have too many tests ordered for us, there are huge inefficiencies in both treatment and administration, and there are costs (marketing, lobbying, etc.) and expenses that need to be recovered?
If you want to wager your Cheetos and syphilis against my lack of a universal format for medical records and lobbyist consulting fees, I'll take that bet.
Dale
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
Nobody here is blaming either Bush.
There have been issues in and with health care, and it has been debated on "The Hill" since the Roosevelt administration.
That would be Theodore, not Franklin.
Dale
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