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Bloodred Stripe or normal stripe?

starsevol

starsevol

Cohabbing is cruelty...
Nanci mentioned to me on the devil that you can tell the difference with a good belly shot. So I took a few of Kato's belly to see what everyone thought.
 

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Beth- don't take this the wrong way but the pics need to be sharp and clear...My guess, from these, is normal.
 
Oh, I am not! These are definately not my best work!
Had an uber excited 10 year old girl helping me, and the snake was squirmier than usual too.
I may just breed him to see.
There is only a 50% or less chance that he is homo, but his daddy is a definate blood.
 
I'm going to disagree with my friend and say that it could be bloodred. I should really sit down and photo the underside of my stripes and blood stripes so that you can see. All of my non-blood stripes have completely clean bellies, where yours and my bloods have that color bleed.
 
I agree with the others about it probably being a bloodred stripe. The substantial amount of "color bleeding" from the sides is very typical of bloodred phenotypes. Motleys and stripes tend to be far plainer and cleaner looking on their ventro-lateral area.


~Doug
 
Just to throw the exception to the "rule" in there, this motley (first photo) has absolutely zero bloodred in her lineage and I can go back several generations with more clutches than I can count. I know the color bleed tends to look a little different in the bloodreds versus motleys and stripes, but to a newb, it might be confusing, especially when you compare it to the 4 bloodred ventrals I threw in for comparison.
 

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Beth, yours does seem to have the usual bloodred bleed, but since I have no experience with motley/stripe bloodred combos (yet), good examples from breeders with experience would be the way to go...as well as test breeding.
 
It looks like the typical bloodred bleed on the belly, but I too have no experience with bloodred stripes. Breeding will tell you for sure ;) But you know this.. :) I vote for homo blood though.. ;)
 
Thanks everybody for the imput, I really appreciate it!!
If I can I will be breeding him with Myah, just to make sure.
Nanci, I don't have any on this computer, but he is registered with the ACR and I think I registered him as a baby. Lemme go look.....
Oh, what am I looking for?

Yes, I did register him young. At that time he was "Katrina" because I did not know how to pop and I thought he was a she!
His belly looks pretty much the same to me in that pic.
 
It's not the color-bleed that is the indicator...

Hi there,

My input stems directly from a gentlemen across the pond that posted photos of his 2011 toffee striped bloods and pointed out a phenotypic indicator that has proved to work 100% of the time so far with all the animals in my collection. It isn't the color bleed that you should be looking for, as I've seen multiple striped animals with what you'd call bloodred ventral color, but instead you want to be looking for translucent or clear patches running down the center of the ventral scales. The amount of translucence will differ for each scale, but that seems to be the consistent marker for diffused. If you have a diffused animal, pick it up, turn it over and look for the clear pattern on the ventral scales. Using this marker as a means to identify stripes from bloodred stripes should make it a much easier process, and should allow you to answer your question as to whether or not your gorgeous snake is homo diffused or not. I hope this helps.

Mitch
 
Mitchell Mulks said:
Hi there,

My input stems directly from a gentlemen across the pond that posted photos of his 2011 toffee striped bloods and pointed out a phenotypic indicator that has proved to work 100% of the time so far with all the animals in my collection. It isn't the color bleed that you should be looking for, as I've seen multiple striped animals with what you'd call bloodred ventral color, but instead you want to be looking for translucent or clear patches running down the center of the ventral scales. The amount of translucence will differ for each scale, but that seems to be the consistent marker for diffused. If you have a diffused animal, pick it up, turn it over and look for the clear pattern on the ventral scales. Using this marker as a means to identify stripes from bloodred stripes should make it a much easier process, and should allow you to answer your question as to whether or not your gorgeous snake is homo diffused or not. I hope this helps.

Mitch
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Exactly. You can see it very well in the last photo posted by Susan. Mitch, have you found that the translucent scales persist into adulthood? That's why I wanted to see a hatchling photo of the snake in question. Once you see the comparison photos it is very simple to tell if a striped snake is homo diffused or not.

I don't see the translucent scales in Beth's photos, but I don't know if she can see it with the naked eye or not. So my prediction, based on the supplied photos, was no, the snake is not homo diffused. But- I'd like to see a _good_ hatchling ventral shot of him. And I can't wait for him to breed to see if my prediction is correct!
 
This baby, Number One, demonstrates the translucent scales very well. (He is an anery diffused, not striped).

I looked at all the adult bloodreds I have on ACR, and although my photos are clear and sharp, I don't see it on any of them, except maybe the avalanche stripe. I'll have to look at home, with the original photos.

(I wanted to upload the photo, but it's the wrong format and picresize won't work with that type...)
 
Now I have to go look at every one of my stripes, both homo and not blood, and all the bloods I have in the stripe project. Argh! Thanks a lot, Mitch. :licklips:
 
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