tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
Oh they do, where do you think we get some of our morphs, some are found naturally. And I have seen puppy dog tamed snakes from the wild.
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Very UNUSUAL garter...
- Thread starter Allison
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Cornsnake124
Country boy gone wild
but garters?? most that i have encountered have tried to kill me, and the ones who didn't bite wouldn't let me get close... Usually the garters i catch are little tiny yearlings.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
well maybe that species doesn't like you.
I have picked up wild snakes and they have been calm.
But mind you, I have seen bull snakes hiss and holler in others hand's and are calm in mine. I think its either hormones or just attitude with the animals.
Cornsnake124
Country boy gone wild
that seems to happen with me and wild cattle, but thats a whole different story.
Bull snakes do just fine with me. (in most cases)
Maybe its just the location difference i don't know....
Bull snakes do just fine with me. (in most cases)
Maybe its just the location difference i don't know....
PJ@PJCReptiles
New member
Well placed and well stated! Always know your local laws on capturing wild life of any sort! Nanci linked us to this and you will find at the end of the 40+ page article, your state's laws on this matter.
http://tinyurl.com/m4cwad
Best if you all take a look at at least your state's laws on the chart near the last pages.
PJ
Brewster320
New member
You could always say its an eastern garter or something, when it comes to morphs you can pretty easily pull something like that off. I've heard of a story in Rhode Island where a man kept a Tiger Retic in a pet store (they are illegal in RI). Well fish and game came to investigate a report of a retic. Well he walked right up to the retic and asked what it was, the store owner told him it was a arock x burm hybrid. The fish and game officer bought it and even said it was a very cool looking animal. It might not be the right thing to do but its very possible.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
I would be careful on this. DNR up here know their Garters and other wild life. They may not know exotic species but tend to know their own neighborhood.
What is odd, its hard to tell the direct species on this animal. It either of 2 species and it hard trying to nail it down.
It could be a Checkered or a Terrestrial Gartersnake.
Allison
New member
This crossed my mind for a moment too. This garter is clearly older than a hatchling and not very "wild". I have grown up with this species and in my observation they tend to be pretty slow and calm compared to some garters I have found in the Midwest.
That being said I highly doubt the probability of someone losing their piebald garter out their back door.
Yep, very true. Some wild caught snakes are more tame than my own! It just depends on the snake and the individual I assume.
Nope, not a fishing license but a general hunting license. I have been reading up like crazy...
It's a Terrestrial. The Checkered garters are mostly found in central and southern Az and I am far north.
This is a cool link to the Az species if anyone would like to check it out.
http://www.reptilesofaz.org/herp-snakes.html
VickyChaiTea
Snake enthusiast
Guuuuuh you're sure you can't ship him/her? Hey, that reminds me... have you/can you sex it yet?
I'd take it if you can ship.
I'd take it if you can ship.
tradernick
Just another Florida guy
One thing is certain that is one handsome snake. What a great find. I'd keep it (if legal) even if it weren't something I was interested in breeding right away. We never know what the future holds and that's a great addition to a collection!
Please do keep us posted!
Nick
Please do keep us posted!
Nick
RavenSpirit360
Mitakuye Oyasin
I wouldn't release it... Keep it as a pet for now and look more into it.. And contact some of the bigger garter breeders that do morphs. They might know ways around the laws or little loopholes. I will come get it from ya if you want
gelshark
 
If you go to the garter snake forum I think most will tell you that it is a wandering garter (Thamnophis elegans vagrans) rather than a terrestrial. I think (but not sure) most of them refer to Thamnophis elegans terrestris (which technically does not exist anymore) as the terrestrial.
There have been some changes to recognized subspecies in Thamnophis elegans somewhat recently - so that adds to the confusion and disagreement on what is or isn't a "terrestrial garter" (it seems some of them are reluctant to change)
It seems that Thamnophis elegans went from
many subspecies (6 that i could find)
(1. Thamnophis elegans elegans 2. Thamnophis elegans arizonae 3. Thamnophis elegans hueyi 4. Thamnophis elegans terrestris 5. Thamnophis elegans vagrans 6. Thamnophis elegans vascotanneri)
to officially 2 subspecies
(1. T. e. elegans 2. T. e. vagrans)
Allison
New member
No sex yet, I'm worried I might injure or stress it out at this point.
Very interesting! I was using the Arizona Reptile page as a reference. It shows pictures of my little guy under the name "Terrestrial".
Looking at him up close and then comparing him to Wandering garters.. they just don't look similar enough. But who knows? He very well could be :shrugs:
gelshark
 
Imagine my surprise when they (at the garter snake forum) told me that here in Colorado we do not have terrestrial garters. I was using the Colorado Herpetological Society's website as reference which says we do - lol
Allison
New member
Allison
New member
NEW SKIN!
Alright everyone, he/she finally shed! The results are awesome. The dorsal stripe is WHITE. The snake also does not show any "normal" colors such as yellow, green, brown, etc. I wonder if the mutation is linked to anery somehow? But that doesn't explain the lack of yellow...
anyway, enough rambling. Here are the pics. I apologize for the blurriness and poor quality, it's hard to catch good shots in a dark house.
(Note the color)
Look at it's side!
Any new thoughts with the new shed?
Alright everyone, he/she finally shed! The results are awesome. The dorsal stripe is WHITE. The snake also does not show any "normal" colors such as yellow, green, brown, etc. I wonder if the mutation is linked to anery somehow? But that doesn't explain the lack of yellow...
anyway, enough rambling. Here are the pics. I apologize for the blurriness and poor quality, it's hard to catch good shots in a dark house.
(Note the color)
Look at it's side!
Any new thoughts with the new shed?
