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'New' morphs from Charles Pritzel's book

Skyespirit86

Skyespirit86

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There's a list at the back of unproven traits, are some of them now proven and if so what's the news on them? They include:

- Christmas hypo.
- Widestripe (the pic looks a bit like tessera, is it the same thing?
-snowflake.
- golden okeetee.
- patternless: is this the same as vanishing stripe? It's not is it...but what is it like then?
-Unnamed plain belly mutant...?
- Does t albino really exist as a corn morph or is it classed as a hybrid, or something else. Coz it's not amelanism..
- Scaleless corns, I know BHB reptiles has them, but are they healthy, breeding?

Are there others?

I remeber hearing about Kastanies, I know they aren't really new anymore but is anyone doing anything with them?
 
Brewster320 said:
Scaleless corns, I know BHB reptiles has them, but are they healthy, breeding?
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There is a thread posted here on CS.com that has information on the medical problems associated with the scaleless defect.

Brewster320 said:
There really are T+ albino corns, I've seen pictures of them and as far as I know they are not hybrids.
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It is being tossed around that what is being called T+ is actually Ultra, an already established mutation.
 
Skyespirit86 said:
Widestripe (the pic looks a bit like tessera, is it the same thing?
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Have you looked at the Tessera pics? The color/pattern and most importantly MODE OF INHERITENCE is completley different. No need to start any rumors. Here are a few TESSERA pics... feel free to post pics of a wide stripe aztec if you like for comparison- then everyone can see the obvious differences!
 

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I have already had a conversation with KJUN regarding the wide stripes and Tessera morph and he assured me they were not the same.

You can see the differences.
 

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Originally Posted by JFDery
What's the justification behind the name "T+ albino" for those corns?

Ignorance.
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Not that I get along with Chuck anymore, but in many conversations I have had with Chuck about Ultramel Animals and T+ Albino, there is no doubt in my mind that T+ was simply a label given to ultramel corns before they were known as Ultra based genetics.. Other wise T+ just a useless name.. Ultra is a CoDom, much like tessera is, so expect the tessera market to drop like the Ultra market when everyone and his brother is able to produce them..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Well, I also consider the T+ name as pointless in almost every use I've seen for it in reptile morphs. But I thought this post was about something new and was wondering if this one was justified in any respect. I guess if you really really wanna use the term T+ it would have to be with ultramel or ultra, considering that they would be tyrosinase positive homozygous mutant of the tyrosinase gene. But in my opinion, it would still be confusing for many, and I don't think it brings much useful information.

You mention Tessera is a codom mutation like ultra; to what do you think it's codominant? Normal or something else?

JF
 
Skyespirit86 said:
I remeber hearing about Kastanies, I know they aren't really new anymore but is anyone doing anything with them?
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Yes, here in Germany, there are a lot of breeding trails with the kastanie aka chestnut gene. Frank Schaub hatched out the first mandarin motleys ( aka amel kastanie motley) and STUNNING caramel mandarins in 2008. This season is interesting too. Frank Schaub has almost 6 pairings with a chance for hypo kastanie. mandarin bloods and kastanie bloods ( aka rosy bloods?? (prooven?!??)) are also probable. I think this year brings much new stuff ;)
 
TandJ said:
Ultra is a CoDom, much like tessera is, so expect the tessera market to drop like the Ultra market when everyone and his brother is able to produce them..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
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AFAIK, ultra is co-dominant to amel - i.e. you need two mutated copies at that locus for a phenotype (ultra/ultra, amel/amel, or ultra/amel). Where as the tessera is dominant to the wt allele. The ultramel prices dropped so fast b/c all you needed was an amel to make more, which amels are in plenty. But no doubt the tessera will fall very quickly too, since if it is truly dominant, then all you need is to just breed it and produce more in the F1.

Now is it known if there's a super form of the tessera?
 
blueapplepaste said:
AFAIK, ultra is co-dominant to amel - i.e. you need two mutated copies at that locus for a phenotype (ultra/ultra, amel/amel, or ultra/amel). Where as the tessera is dominant to the wt allele. The ultramel prices dropped so fast b/c all you needed was an amel to make more, which amels are in plenty. But no doubt the tessera will fall very quickly too, since if it is truly dominant, then all you need is to just breed it and produce more in the F1.

Now is it known if there's a super form of the tessera?
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We should know this year if there is a super, also, tessera prices should not drop near as much as the ultramel group.
 
mike17l said:
tessera prices should not drop near as much as the ultramel group.
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I wouldn't bank on that. All's one needs is a single male and breed it to a large group of females and produce the Tessera in the F1. Combos will quickly be produced as well as it would be easier to produce a combo when one of the mutations is dominant and appears in the F1 crossing.
 
We should know this year if there is a super, also, tessera prices should not drop near as much as the ultramel group.
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True, tessera does not have a stigma attached to it like ultra does.. Its an intresting look that apparently breeds true..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Hopefully the tessera will have an interesting super - that will keep the price from falling as fast as ultra morphs (since you won't be able to just have one male tessera and breed him to everything else).
 
If christmas hypo is a proven morph now, I'm even more excited about my christmas blood project!
 
I'm curious as to why "T+ albino" is more "useless" than the term "ultra"?

I know that "ultra" is the accepted trade name of the morph in cornsnakes, but...T+albino is a FAR more accurate and descriptive term, in every avenue of snakes wherein it is used.

If you ask me, the made-up word "ultra" is FAR more useless than the more scientific name of "T+albino"...

I mean really...for people that get so worked up about accuracy and usefulness...you would think that accurately descriptive words would be preferred to made-up jangle. In other words..."a form of alibnism that still produces a variable amount of melanin-like pigment due to the presence of tyrosinase"(T+albino) is WAY more accurate than "better than normal"(ultra).

The term T+albino is not a useless term, it is an accurate and descriptive term of what is most likely happening with the ultra gene. Just because it isn't the "accepted trade name in cornsnakes" does not in any way make useless or inaccurate...:nope:
 
tyflier said:
I'm curious as to why "T+ albino" is more "useless" than the term "ultra"?

I know that "ultra" is the accepted trade name of the morph in cornsnakes, but...T+albino is a FAR more accurate and descriptive term, in every avenue of snakes wherein it is used.

If you ask me, the made-up word "ultra" is FAR more useless than the more scientific name of "T+albino"...

I mean really...for people that get so worked up about accuracy and usefulness...you would think that accurately descriptive words would be preferred to made-up jangle. In other words..."a form of alibnism that still produces a variable amount of melanin-like pigment due to the presence of tyrosinase"(T+albino) is WAY more accurate than "better than normal"(ultra).

The term T+albino is not a useless term, it is an accurate and descriptive term of what is most likely happening with the ultra gene. Just because it isn't the "accepted trade name in cornsnakes" does not in any way make useless or inaccurate...:nope:
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So should we call every other form of hypo (hypo A, sunkissed, lava, ect) T+ albino?

Ultra is a form of hypomelanism, it is located on the same locus as amel, it is not a form of amelanism.
 
Ultras have melanin apparently. How would T+ ALBINO be anything buy a lie?


tyflier said:
I'm curious as to why "T+ albino" is more "useless" than the term "ultra"?

I know that "ultra" is the accepted trade name of the morph in cornsnakes, but...T+albino is a FAR more accurate and descriptive term, in every avenue of snakes wherein it is used.

If you ask me, the made-up word "ultra" is FAR more useless than the more scientific name of "T+albino"...

I mean really...for people that get so worked up about accuracy and usefulness...you would think that accurately descriptive words would be preferred to made-up jangle. In other words..."a form of alibnism that still produces a variable amount of melanin-like pigment due to the presence of tyrosinase"(T+albino) is WAY more accurate than "better than normal"(ultra).

The term T+albino is not a useless term, it is an accurate and descriptive term of what is most likely happening with the ultra gene. Just because it isn't the "accepted trade name in cornsnakes" does not in any way make useless or inaccurate...:nope:
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