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A day at the stables

Sounds like no fun to watch indeed :( Why don't these people inform themselves and get a good trainer or at least look at those thousands of clips on youtube to see what they should be doing and what it should look like... and learn basic rules; no tension on the reins, use your weight and slight hand movements to tell your horse what it needs to do, no forcing there (like actually should be the case in English riding too IMO lol). I wonder how those people would ride with English tack? Why would one pull and force riding western style if one is able to be gentle when riding English style?
 
Sounds like no fun to watch indeed :( Why don't these people inform themselves and get a good trainer or at least look at those thousands of clips on youtube to see what they should be doing and what it should look like... and learn basic rules; no tension on the reins, use your weight and slight hand movements to tell your horse what it needs to do, no forcing there (like actually should be the case in English riding too IMO lol). I wonder how those people would ride with English tack? Why would one pull and force riding western style if one is able to be gentle when riding English style?
As you know Barbara, many people riding horses aren't gentle at all, so to give these people their due I saw less bad behaviour than you'd normally see at an English gymkana. Only one person kicking his horse on to get speed in the barrel racing. No whips used either.
But I didn't see more than a token attempt at neck reining or use of weight, and the bits there were being used aggressively to pull and yank the horses' heads about. The fancy saddles and tack and blingy shirts said to me that these people liked the image of western riding rather than putting the effort in to learn how to do it properly.
 
Sad story... I'm sure I've made my mistakes while riding or gotten angry at a horse unnecessary but the no yanking the bit rule is one I always obey, I feel honored to be allowed to ride a horse, I won't abuse its sensitive mouth, it's the least I can do. I'm so glad I was thought well how to ride stubborn and mischieveaous ponies in an environment without cruellness. From your stories I know you respect horses like that too.
 
In my experience, western style shows are almost more snooty, fashion forward and neglectfully competitive than hunter shows. As a kid I loved showing in western pleasure and trail classes, but if you think Tailored Sportsmans or Pikeurs are expensive, you should see what these girls spent on their outfits.
 
On Sunday I went with Steve to see his colt Nelson, who behaved beautifully again, no biting! And I had fun playing with the little Bedlington terrier, Dancing Dog
 

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I had a beautiful weekend fishing and playing with the Crazy gang. Bridles on and off, groundwork, leading up and dangling over their backs for Luna and Lola. The girls are both 12hh2-3" and I'm convinced they'll easily make 15hh, they are filling out very nicely. Nuts had a wound on her udder (yes, she's still nursing her 3-year old giant daughter!) but let us clean it and use wound spray with good effect. Probably from gorging in the blackberry bushes.
 

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The photo of the horse on the ground receiving treats or being petted is SO peaceful! It really evokes a feeling that makes me wish I was there!
 
I thought Joey was a stallion so he would not be with the girls? Sad to hear about about you and Merlin, I think I remember you telling something about it. You wouldn't agree on how to ride him or such, right? (you don't have to tell anything if you don't feel like it).
 
The photo of the horse on the ground receiving treats or being petted is SO peaceful! It really evokes a feeling that makes me wish I was there!
Thanks Kathy, I'll pass that along to my friend. Loulou is about 22 or so and is Lola's mum. She's joined the herd in her retirement and has absolutely blossomed under Cathy's care, she's won her trust and transformed her from a hard to handle, handshy, headshy, hard to catch, shoe etc little bundle of complexes into a happy cooperative mare who always wants to join in the fun.
For example we were putting the girl's bridles on, with them being silly and shying away, being praised for standing still and putting even the noseband on, when along sauntered Loulou to show them how it should be done, happily wearing the bridle many sizes too big for her for praising and scratches! She's even joined in trying on saddles too and actually gets to be a bit of a distraction because she's so funny wanting to get in on the action.
I should add that her owner loved and doted on her, but very impatient if his horses misbehaved, so that Loulou was used to being forcibly restrained or bullied into behaving and she was used to much rougher handling than she will ever get now
 
I thought Joey was a stallion so he would not be with the girls? Sad to hear about about you and Merlin, I think I remember you telling something about it. You wouldn't agree on how to ride him or such, right? (you don't have to tell anything if you don't feel like it).
Nope, Joey is a gelding, and the girls are his little herd. Lola especially is like his shadow and it's very useful to have him near when we are working with her o give her more confidence.
With Merlin, it's a long and gradual story of what happened...when I first met his owner she kept him in the same field as Coconuts and Joey and also her two arab mares. With her horses living out she was as keen on using natural horsemanship as my friend Cathy. So when I was relearning to ride she would teach me the groundwork and using the rope halters and just your weight to direct the horse. One of the mares became ill and was put down, one went off to our breeder friend and had a lovely part-bred foal. Then she met her new chap and ended up with her posh house and own stables, and over time she got to be more and more harsh with her horses, going to dressage and jumping lessons and having less enjoyment of just spendind time with the horses unless it was for a set purpose.
She got Curo as a 'competition' horse and Merlin got the job of earning a living by her giving lessons on him to children. But Merlin is not a 'nice' horse, I love him but he is not gentle and loving with strangers and has been biting and bolting. So to 'cure' this and make him behave he wasn't allowed any treats, not allowed any fuss, not allowed to play around and then I started hearing he was getting hit and he was being put in more severe bits. Of course it is hard if it's not your horse but it was getting to the point where he would be putting his head over my shoulder and pulling me in for our special cuddle and I'd be told off like a kid that I was making to much fuss of him. Because I would wait for him to lower his head for the bridle and be careful not to bang his mouth I was spoiling him. Because he always groomed my hair gently making it stand up on end I was making him bite people.
I will always be grateful that I was allowed to learn how to ride on Merlin well enough to be confident for my holiday in Spain, if I hadn't had all those hours in the saddle I wouldn't have been cantering along goat tracks or enjoying the technical rides on steep dry riverbeds, but I am saddened beyond words that I have to stay away from him to avoid all the negativity. I can't change how he is treated now, all my gentle suggestions were brushed aside and belittled. If I won the lottery I'd buy him in a heartbeat
 
So this weekend was spent at Cathys with Coconuts and the gang. We were clearing weeds from the paddocks, then let the gang at the thistles in the end field, which they absolutely love. Working towards backing Lola and Luna continues, this week it was my turn to get up on Luna for a change.
Luna was a naughty litle horse! She was getting confused about being asked to go forwards so was rearing. Tiny, little, low-energy baby rears that were so easy to sit quietly, wait for her to settle, then urge her on again. So she learnt the important lessons that we don't want her to rear when there is someone on her back, that rearing doesn't shift the person off of her back and that walking quietly was what we wanted from her all along!
 

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Such a sad post about Merlin. I almost feel like I know him and Coconuts personally, lol! It brought a tear to my eye!
 
Nope, Joey is a gelding, and the girls are his little herd. Lola especially is like his shadow and it's very useful to have him near when we are working with her o give her more confidence.
With Merlin, it's a long and gradual story of what happened...when I first met his owner she kept him in the same field as Coconuts and Joey and also her two arab mares. With her horses living out she was as keen on using natural horsemanship as my friend Cathy. So when I was relearning to ride she would teach me the groundwork and using the rope halters and just your weight to direct the horse. One of the mares became ill and was put down, one went off to our breeder friend and had a lovely part-bred foal. Then she met her new chap and ended up with her posh house and own stables, and over time she got to be more and more harsh with her horses, going to dressage and jumping lessons and having less enjoyment of just spendind time with the horses unless it was for a set purpose.
She got Curo as a 'competition' horse and Merlin got the job of earning a living by her giving lessons on him to children. But Merlin is not a 'nice' horse, I love him but he is not gentle and loving with strangers and has been biting and bolting. So to 'cure' this and make him behave he wasn't allowed any treats, not allowed any fuss, not allowed to play around and then I started hearing he was getting hit and he was being put in more severe bits. Of course it is hard if it's not your horse but it was getting to the point where he would be putting his head over my shoulder and pulling me in for our special cuddle and I'd be told off like a kid that I was making to much fuss of him. Because I would wait for him to lower his head for the bridle and be careful not to bang his mouth I was spoiling him. Because he always groomed my hair gently making it stand up on end I was making him bite people.
I will always be grateful that I was allowed to learn how to ride on Merlin well enough to be confident for my holiday in Spain, if I hadn't had all those hours in the saddle I wouldn't have been cantering along goat tracks or enjoying the technical rides on steep dry riverbeds, but I am saddened beyond words that I have to stay away from him to avoid all the negativity. I can't change how he is treated now, all my gentle suggestions were brushed aside and belittled. If I won the lottery I'd buy him in a heartbeat

Man I feel for you :( To think that withdrawing love from a horse will make him nicer to people and make him behave... it makes me angry. But I understand you had to distance yourself from the situation because you could not help him and would only stress out yourself. I cross my fingers that one day Cathy decides to get rid of him and gives him to you :crazy02:
 
I hope you can sneak a hug and a cuddle with him when she is not around, lol! Bring him an apple, just for good measure, if you know she will be gone!
 
When my sister and I were kids we would crawl under the fence of a pasture and ride the horses bearback. It was a lot of fun, but we never knew how dangerous that is until now.

Sorry about Merlin, it is so hard to see neglect and mistreatment of animals and not do anything about it.
 
Man I feel for you :( To think that withdrawing love from a horse will make him nicer to people and make him behave... it makes me angry. But I understand you had to distance yourself from the situation because you could not help him and would only stress out yourself. I cross my fingers that one day Cathy decides to get rid of him and gives him to you :crazy02:
Woah Nellie! Cathy is not Merlin's owner! Cathy owns Nuts, Joey, Lola and Luna. Loulou is on permanent retirement with her. Cathy is 100% committed to natural horsemanship and always building good relationships with the horses.
I cannot possibly visit him because I refuse to have any contact with his owner, Kim. I did challenge her over how her treatment of Merlin has changed since when she was perfectly happy with him living in the field and just having fun and was told I know nothing about horses and that I was just jealous of her changes in circumstances.
 
I wouldn't want to go back after that, either. Bummer! But what can you do? Nothing, as far as I can tell. So distancing yourself as you have is your only sane option. Really a shame.
 
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