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A "hypo" albino?

LadyJemima

LadyJemima

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I am still working to understand morph terminology, and while I understand the basics, I have to say that corn snake genetics are VERY complex (at least when you start getting into genes). I don't need to know about it this great detail, because I love my snake and think she is just pretty no matter what she looks like, but I was curious that a corn breeder I ran into called Ruby an "hypo almel reverse Okeetee."

Now, my research shows that "amel" and "reverse Okeetee" are essentially saying the same thing (although to split hairs, it would be best to call her a "reverse Okeetee" because "amel" can refer to non-Okeetee corns), but the "hypo" has thrown me a bit. My understanding was that hypo means less but not elimination of dark pigment, making colors appear brighter. I have also read that amel colors appear brighter simply because of the absence of the black rings, so...curious for clarification!
 

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Alright, firstly your snake, while stunningly beautiful, does not have the thick borders around her saddle markings to be called a reverse okeetee. They should be at least twice as thick as yours to be a nice quality one.

Second, hypo is almost impossible to tell in an amelanistic snake, because there is no black to reduce. Therefore the only way to tell if she's homozygous hypo is to test breed her.
 
Shiari, thanks for the clarification! She is definitely not breeder-quality (she has a curious "linked" saddle on her back and does not have clear ventral markings) but I love her anyway!
 
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Shiari, thanks for the clarification! She is definitely not breeder-quality (she has a curious "linked" saddle on her back and does not have clear ventral markings) but I love her anyway!
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Unless she has some physical defect like a spinal kink or other deformity, I don't see why not. She's got great color, even if she's not an Okeetee-phase, quite a beautiful little amel. Marking oddities are common and not particularly detrimental to a snake's value. Some people rather like them.

Heck I'm keeping this little weirdo I hatched just because of his bizarre pattern. Well and I need a male. :eek:k_01:

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The photo in the first post was shot on my iPhone is is terribly over-saturated. Ruby is quite "pastel" in person but I actually think that her colors are beautiful -- I always think she looks like strawberry/mango cream! I read that breeders want their snakes to have bright, vivid colors with distinct saddle rings, but I love my little girl all the same. :D Attached a photo where her face is out of focus, but her true colors are showing.

P.s. your male is beautiful! I love his markings!
 

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...although to be honest...now I'm not sure if she is duller / more pastel because I think she is going to shed. I don't know how much their colors change during this period (?). I only adopted her three days ago and she's been burrowed in the aspen much of the time, so I haven't seen her much and I'm not sure how "saturated" she was before. Hmmmm....
 
She is about to shed and she also needs time to adjust to her new home before handing and feeding And remember not to handle her for about 48 hrs after feeding


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...even if she's not an Okeetee-phase....
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By the way...if she's not an Okeetee, what is she? I know there's a discrepency between "Okeetee" as a phase and "Okeetee" as a location. It would be incorrect to refer to her as an amel Okeetee?
 
She is not a locality or a phase. As I said earlier she does not have the borders to be considered a reverse okeetee. She is an amel. It's like the difference between being a "breed" or just being a dog.
 
In my eyes she is a normal amel - there are many line breeds with amel and reverse okeetee is a line breed story too but anyway if you have a revOk or a candycane, flouroscent orange (FluO) or Sunglow - these are all selective (or line) breedings from amel - means that people try to 'change' her colour/pattern/behavior more intensive as they are. (-> if the snake has white borders they try to make it more brighter and so on...same with colour or pattern)

So and then is there the thing with the hidden genes - not even one normal amel looks identically like the other - the hidden genes that the snakes have, changes the visible colour a lot and its always only one morph because of het's there is a difference between
Sorry because of my bad english, hopefully you understand ;)

look here on Ian's Viv - there you can see all the selective breeds (on the bottom) :)
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/?sid=a7a908604333b33c7a2771b4f3020cfe
 
No normal. Because she's not a normal. She's an amel. When we say she is a normal amel we mean that she isn't one of the linebred types. So she's normal for an amel, but not a normal.
 
Okay, but she has to be an amel something. Amel itself is a morph; e.g. if she had dark pigment, would she not be a normal?
 
Or Shari, are you just saying that she is a "normal (pattern) amel (morph)" but obviously not a "normal" (because she lacks dark pigment)?
 
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