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Air Force puts more bite in pet regulations

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EricRoscoe

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Air Force puts more bite in pet regulations

The list of blacklisted critters is long under the Air Force’s new pet policy: arachnids; reptiles; rodents, except hamsters and guinea pigs; ferrets; hedgehogs; pot-bellied pigs; monkeys; skunks, raccoons; squirrels; farm animals; and five kinds of dogs — pit bulls, Doberman pinschers, Rottweilers, chows and wolf hybrids — as well as any dog that displays “aggressive or dominant behavior.” Military dogs are allowed in base housing with the permission of the base commander.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/09/air-force-puts-more-bite-in-pet-regulations-091811/
 
Wow. Seems ridiculous to me. I don't know how banning most of those animals go under the category of "safety". Guess the government needs to control every part of our lives. This is the start.
 
I heard about the dog issue, I see a lot of pitbulls on craigslist as of late due to Military leaving post and with the new restrictions they cannot take them with them. From what I heard (at least about the military bases up here) if you already have the dog you can keep it (I think, could be wrong) but as soon as you are moved to another base the dog is not allowed onto that base. That is the way I understand it, but again I could be wrong about that. I have seen quite a bit of arguing on CL about the issue.
 
Being in the military is voluntary. You can't complain about the regulations that you voluntary sign up for.

If one doesn't like the restrictions enough, don't join. No one is forcing anyone to fall under these rules - until you do so of your own accord.
 
That's one reason I never lived in base housing. I had a few ball pythons in the dorms, but they had no problem back then. As soon as I could, I bought a house...
 
vliberatore said:
Wow. Seems ridiculous to me. I don't know how banning most of those animals go under the category of "safety". Guess the government needs to control every part of our lives. This is the start.
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Umm...if you don't like a job's regulations...don't apply for that job. If you don't like the company housing policy...don't live in company houses.

It's really simple...the military has a responsibility to protect every person living in base quarters. Right or wrong, they are perfectly and legitimately within their rights to establish housing regulations that prevent certain animals.

There are condominium and apartment complexes across the country that forbid specific animals from being housed within the complex. Many of the same animals that the Air Force restricts. It's perfectly legal. And FAAAAAAR from a total governmental takeover of private lives :rolleyes:.

Conspiracies are a funny thing. When you invest time and energy into looking for them, they seem to be everywhere. Ironically, when you apply logic and reason to the same scenarios, the conspiracies seem to quickly fall apart and disappear...:poke:
 
vliberatore said:
Wow. Seems ridiculous to me. I don't know how banning most of those animals go under the category of "safety". Guess the government needs to control every part of our lives. This is the start.
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I also wanted to let you know, since you seem to revel in the idea of small, localized government, that there are more "dangerous animal" bans and restrictions passed at the city and county level of government than anywhere else.

It's not a federal government takeover of private lives. It's a small government takeover at a miniscule level, which is much, much, MUCH more difficult to fight, lobby against, and prevent.

I just thought that tidbit of trivia might interest you, given your desire to eliminate federal government and allow these city, county, and state governments to thrive, untethered to a federal Constitution or oversight...
 
Thats why you dont live in base housing if you want to own this kind of animals. I really you will get more money if you live offbase and find cheap housing. BHA is an awesome thing, especially if your rent is low!
 
Wow, somebody's feeling a bit snippy tonight..


As far as the restrictions..yeah, they seem stupid. Rodents are banned except for hamsters and guinea pigs. Why them? Why do they get special treatment? And banning any dog that is dominant or aggressive just seems really silly considering the existence of military dogs. I know it says they can be allowed at the base commander's discretion, but seems silly to mention a ban of that nature at all.
 
knox said:
Being in the military is voluntary. You can't complain about the regulations that you voluntary sign up for.

If one doesn't like the restrictions enough, don't join. No one is forcing anyone to fall under these rules - until you do so of your own accord.
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I agree. Join the yankee military, you have to go by their rules.
 
Lavender said:
I agree. Join the yankee military, you have to go by their rules.
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Wow. You really hate America, don't you?

You join ANY military, law enforcement, security, or para-military force, and you have to follow their rules. That's how these things work. You take the job, you follow the rules.

You must be some kind of complete anarchist, right? I mean, you can't even handle the simplest of regulations being "laid down upon you", yet you follow the guidelines in some silly book without question. A "bible" tells you how to live every second of your life through a fairy tale, and you jump through hoops to follow orders.

Funny...at least the US Government actually exists...:poke:
 
My husband proudly served active duty for 17yrs. He is now in the reserves. He has never lived in base housing because of the rules. It is an easy fix, dont like the base housing rules, live offbase and take advantage of your BHA
 
I grew up as an airforce brat. And yes..we lived on Base Housing sometimes. 7 years in Arizona at the defunct Williams Air Force Base. Housing in AZ was so high at the time my parents could not afford to live off base. But we would have had to find a way...because we have always had a dobie in the house. Many of my friends had reptiles and I had rabbits. Those rules are very strict and it's a shame to do that to military families.
Oh well.

And to those who said the military was voluntary...umm not exactly. Those who signed contracts to fill 20 year commitments 5 years ago can't exactly leave now because they can't have their snakes on base. So that is not true that they can just quit. And yes..they can live off base (and get a housing stipend) but if they are in an expensive area of the world that may not be a possiblity. So those poor folks lose their pets either way...at least for that term.
My parents did leave our dobies behind when we spent 3 years in Germany and the dogs could not come.
Military families will be strong and stick it out.

It's just sad that they have to.

Doesn't the military have enough to worry about without banning pet rats and cornsnakes?
 
tyflier said:
Wow. You really hate America, don't you?

You join ANY military, law enforcement, security, or para-military force, and you have to follow their rules. That's how these things work. You take the job, you follow the rules.

You must be some kind of complete anarchist, right? I mean, you can't even handle the simplest of regulations being "laid down upon you", yet you follow the guidelines in some silly book without question. A "bible" tells you how to live every second of your life through a fairy tale, and you jump through hoops to follow orders.

Funny...at least the US Government actually exists...:poke:
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You really love federal rule dont you. If the gov't tells you to do something you jump thought hoops not just to obey it but defent it too. You might the first man that is wiser and smarter that God.
 
whippet said:
I grew up as an airforce brat. And yes..we lived on Base Housing sometimes. 7 years in Arizona at the defunct Williams Air Force Base. Housing in AZ was so high at the time my parents could not afford to live off base. But we would have had to find a way...because we have always had a dobie in the house. Many of my friends had reptiles and I had rabbits. Those rules are very strict and it's a shame to do that to military families.
Oh well.

And to those who said the military was voluntary...umm not exactly. Those who signed contracts to fill 20 year commitments 5 years ago can't exactly leave now because they can't have their snakes on base. So that is not true that they can just quit. And yes..they can live off base (and get a housing stipend) but if they are in an expensive area of the world that may not be a possiblity. So those poor folks lose their pets either way...at least for that term.
My parents did leave our dobies behind when we spent 3 years in Germany and the dogs could not come.
Military families will be strong and stick it out.

It's just sad that they have to.

Doesn't the military have enough to worry about without banning pet rats and cornsnakes?
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But, they signed the 20 year commitment VOLUNTARILY... No one forced them. They could have chosen another career path.
 
whippet said:
I grew up as an airforce brat. And yes..we lived on Base Housing sometimes. 7 years in Arizona at the defunct Williams Air Force Base. Housing in AZ was so high at the time my parents could not afford to live off base. But we would have had to find a way...because we have always had a dobie in the house. Many of my friends had reptiles and I had rabbits. Those rules are very strict and it's a shame to do that to military families.
Oh well.

And to those who said the military was voluntary...umm not exactly. Those who signed contracts to fill 20 year commitments 5 years ago can't exactly leave now because they can't have their snakes on base. So that is not true that they can just quit. And yes..they can live off base (and get a housing stipend) but if they are in an expensive area of the world that may not be a possiblity. So those poor folks lose their pets either way...at least for that term.
My parents did leave our dobies behind when we spent 3 years in Germany and the dogs could not come.
Military families will be strong and stick it out.

It's just sad that they have to.

Doesn't the military have enough to worry about without banning pet rats and cornsnakes?
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I haven't read the verbage of the regulations, but even so, I would be willing to bet there is a grandfather clause built in. Families that already own these animals can keep them until they transfer or move. It's a very standard practice when instilling new regulations.

Lavender, I don't jump through hoops for anyone...man, woman, or figment of imagination. However, I do posses enough insight and intellect to understand the concept of "civilization", "society", and "law". I also posses enough knowledge to understand that it is impossible to live in a civilized society without implementing regulations that limit what people are allowed to do, own, purchase, sell, and posses. Unfortunately, not everyone is always going to agree with every rule, but if we want to live in a peaceful society...we all have to respect the rules.

As for being wiser than god...since the bible is a human translation of a human translation of a human interpretation of an archaic language, I would posit that it isn't very difficult to be wiser than a group of men that lived around 2,000 years ago. I have just a little bit more research and science than they did.

I don't believe the world is flat nor the center of the Universe, either. Do you?
 
American Pitt Bull Terries used to be a symbol of the american military... it's a shame ignorance has spread this far. Nothings changed about the breed since then. There's no reason they should be banned. Most of those animals shouldn't be banned.
 
tyflier said:
I haven't read the verbage of the regulations, but even so, I would be willing to bet there is a grandfather clause built in. Families that already own these animals can keep them until they transfer or move. It's a very standard practice when instilling new regulations.

Lavender, I don't jump through hoops for anyone...man, woman, or figment of imagination. However, I do posses enough insight and intellect to understand the concept of "civilization", "society", and "law". I also posses enough knowledge to understand that it is impossible to live in a civilized society without implementing regulations that limit what people are allowed to do, own, purchase, sell, and posses. Unfortunately, not everyone is always going to agree with every rule, but if we want to live in a peaceful society...we all have to respect the rules.

As for being wiser than god...since the bible is a human translation of a human translation of a human interpretation of an archaic language, I would posit that it isn't very difficult to be wiser than a group of men that lived around 2,000 years ago. I have just a little bit more research and science than they did.

I don't believe the world is flat nor the center of the Universe, either. Do you?
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You're definately sold out to autonomy. You just don't realize or believe in who sold it to you.
 
Lavender said:
You're definately sold out to autonomy. You just don't realize or believe in who sold it to you.
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Do you know what "autonomy" means?

And it's "definitely". There never has been and never will be an "a" in "definitely".
 
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