Alternatives to Anery Diffused

[jaxom1957]

I intend to call the original one granite and the anery bloods anery bloods. Unless we come up with a mutually agreeable solution, people will see that the two latest corn snake books are calling the brown ones GRANITES while the Internet calls the black ones GRANITES.... My goal is to find a way to make the books (mind and Kathy's) agree on the names for these morphs. I don't see a clear solution, but I hope we can come up with something.

This thread is intended to act as a clearing house for suggestions on what trade name is best used to describe consnakes homozygous for Anery A and Diffused (also known as Bloodred). Much discussion of late has been focused on the propriety of referring to them as "granites" when a different morph had already been called that, though the older morph was neither broadly available nor well-publicized.

To avoid confusion, the two morphs should have different trade names. The alternatives seem to be change the trade name for anery diffused, change the trade name for the Keys morph known as granite, or continue to use the trade name for both, accepting that there will be confusion. Each has inherent flaws. Over the past three years, "granite" has been used extensively to describe anery diffused snakes, so any name change will require explaining to those not familiar with these forums that an alternate name was chosen, and why. Convincing a breeder that he should change the name of his snakes, despite having chosen the trade name first and displaying his "granites" publicly under that name, will likely result in considerable resistance. The problems with the third alternative should be obvious.

If the name granite should be used solely to describe the earlier, Keys related morph, what other appellation should be used for anery bloodreds? Please post your suggestions for alternate names to replace "granite" when referring to the latter, and why you think that name is appropriate. This is the last week of September, 2007. My intention is to leave this thread open until after January 1, 2008. At that time, I'll list ALL of the names suggested in a poll. After leaving that poll open for one month, I will post another poll, consisting solely of the three suggestions receiving the most votes.

Please do not post any arguments for or against not referring to anery diffused as granites. This thread is for suggestions, not debate. I will ask the moderators to remove any debate or argument posts. There are other threads and forums for those, this isn't one.

 

[jaxom1957]

Suggestions to date:

Aluminum
Anery-Blood
Anthracite
Bloodgrey
Bullet
Confederate
Granite
Graphite
Gravel
Grey
Greystone
Iron
Marble
Metal
Pepper
Raider
Rocky
Silver
Steel
Tin

 

[starsevol]

I like Pepper, even though it is also a nickname for pewter corns. Gravel is good too!

Thank you jaxom for starting this thread.
It is appreciated.

 

[Roy Munson]

Warning: you may have to ask me to remove my own post!

I think this is a great idea, but I have concerns. Will we be accused of hubris for even presuming that the opinions of this forum's members should form the basis for this matter's resolution? I really don't want to be reminded later that I'm just one little nobody in one little forum and that I had no right to try to shape policy for the corn hobby as a whole. Having said that, I guess you've gotta start somewhere...

I like anery-blood for the tradename. Not anery-diffused, but anery-blood. My anery-blood is the color of dried blood, so no one can tell me that the name is nonsensical. This argument is silly anyway considering that I'm from Vermont, I've seen a lot of snow, and none of it resembled in any way the coloration of 99% of the snow corns out there. If we can call a pink and yellow snake a snow, we can call a non-red corn a blood.

 

[Tula_Montage]

I'll stick with granite. I don't see why I should call something that I have never even heard of or will ever see in the UK a granite if we already have granites (anery bloods). "original" granites are hardly available in the US, nevermind overseas.

It's a disaster waiting to happen... and It just won't be accepted IMO.

But if I had the choice, I think graphite is rather descriptive, and close to their current name.

 

[starsevol]

Ohh Elle, I LIKE that!

I change my vote to graphite!

 

[jaxom1957]

But if I had the choice, I think graphite is rather descriptive, and close to their current name.

My suggestion of "gravel" came about from the same thought process. It sounds similar to granite, and does bring to mind grey and black coloring.

 

[jaxom1957]

Warning: you may have to ask me to remove my own post!

Nah, I'd ask Susan to delete your post :grin01:

I think this is a great idea, but I have concerns. Will we be accused of hubris for even presuming that the opinions of this forum's members should form the basis for this matter's resolution? I really don't want to be reminded later that I'm just one little nobody in one little forum and that I had no right to try to shape policy for the corn hobby as a whole. Having said that, I guess you've gotta start somewhere...

I have no delusions about one poll or thread on one forum changing naming conventions, though I am hoping to bring about peace in the Middle East.

I like anery-blood for the tradename. Not anery-diffused, but anery-blood. My anery-blood is the color of dried blood, so no one can tell me that the name is nonsensical.

Thank you for your suggestion, and it has been added to the list in Post #2. I will continue to add suggested names to Post #2 until January.

 

[tom e]

How about marble? It's a stone that's just about as variable in appearence as granite is, though we probably imagine white marble when we hear the name. Admittedly, I'd vote for Elle's suggestion over mine, lol.

 

[Drizzt80]

Ashy or Cinder . . . whichever one doesn't win in the Z-morph debate . . . :sidestep: :grin01:

I like Pepper . . . Pewter is pretty much established as the name for Charcoal Bloods.
D80

 

[Drizzt80]

I think this is a great idea, but I have concerns. Will we be accused of hubris for even presuming that the opinions of this forum's members should form the basis for this matter's resolution?

Very legitimate concern . . . especially considering that the discussion has not been publicly made at either of the other two corn specific forums . . . :shrugs: . . . it's been specifically discussed here for well over a week now.

(I don't frequent either other than to occasionally check up on potential discussion threads so am not inclined to take on that task.)

D80

 

[Menhir]

Pepper was used für AneryBlood quite a long time ago - think we have it in our almanach for maybe 5 or 6 years now.

Again - so far, we have "natural" names for nearly (if not) all morphs. Don't start these dumb Raider things! Keep it related to nature/natural things...

 

[jaxom1957]

Again - so far, we have "natural" names for nearly (if not) all morphs. Don't start these dumb Raider things! Keep it related to nature/natural things...

I put no restrictions on what kind of name members choose to submit. "Candy Cane" is hardly natural or nature related, nor are "Creamsicle" or "Christmas". Those who don't like suggested names that are not of nature or natural are free not to vote for them in the eventual poll.

Again, this thread is not the proper forum to argue for or against any other person's suggestion. Your "dumb Raider things" comment is inappropriate. While I may not personally endorse the name, others have the right to suggest any name they feel appropriate, even if that name is known to be held in low regard by others. As I said in my initial post, I am collecting ALL suggested names for a poll to be presented later. The only names I will not include are:

1. Profanity (self explanatory)
2. Registered trademarks (Raider, outside of the concept of professional sports, is not trademarked.)
3. Already in accepted use for other morphs or combinations. (Granite excepted as already being used for this morph, though demonstrably in use for a prior morph as well)

 

[Menhir]

"Candy Cane" is hardly natural or nature related, nor are "Creamsicle" or "Christmas".

[...]

so far, we have "natural" names for nearly (if not) all morphs.

Those who don't like suggested names that are not of nature or natural are free not to vote for them in the eventual poll.

Am I also free to state what I think about naming a morph after a football team? Thank you.

Again, this thread is not the proper forum to argue for or against any other person's suggestion.

Again, it's quite interesting to see that you make the rules on what is allowed to argue about.

Your "dumb Raider things" comment is inappropriate.

In other threads, people argue against a breeder having the right to create a name because he could choose Buccaneer, Dumbass or [InsertLovelyLady'sname]. To me, offering names such as Football teams or other things that people are addicted to moves the name discussion from a discussion which name fits best to a "fan" thing.
Imagine we would have offered POWMIA für the vanishing pattern - do you think that all people would have chosen the best description? (which in fact is patternless/vanishing)

But I see, one has to be in the "gang" to contribute some critical words on this board.

Greetings

 

[toyah]

To avoid confusion, the two morphs should have different trade names. The alternatives seem to be change the trade name for anery diffused, change the trade name for the Keys morph known as granite, or continue to use the trade name for both, accepting that there will be confusion.

My vote would be for a sort of compromise between the second and third option. I would personally call anerythristic bloodred snakes "granite", and the striped-type pattern Keys locality corns "Keys granite".

 

[diamondlil]

My vote would be for a sort of compromise between the second and third option. I would personally call anerythristic bloodred snakes "granite", and the striped-type pattern Keys locality corns "Keys granite".

I'm with Toyah

 

[jaxom1957]

Please do not post any arguments for or against not referring to anery diffused as granites. This thread is for suggestions, not debate. I will ask the moderators to remove any debate or argument posts. There are other threads and forums for those, this isn't one.

Was the above statement somehow unclear? THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. There are other threads in which members are debating the issue of morph names, including, specifically, "granite" for "anery diffused". Please take your arguments there.

 

[Menhir]

Was the above statement somehow unclear?

Maybe you should make clear, that you do not wish any debate!
You wrote the following:

Please do not post any arguments for or against not referring to anery diffused as granites.

I was arguing about a suggested name and not about the granite thing.
Still, I'm quite confused that you exclude arguing as an inherent part of a thread from a thread. As said, it may be the gang that is allowed to make rules, proven by the granite thing(?).

So, let's come back to the suggestions:
I suggest POWMIA because their flag is black and white/grey and I think we should thank and honour the people that fight for our freedom by applying this name.

Moreover, no arguing is allowed about my suggestion and I do not wish any negative comment.

uke01:

 

[jaxom1957]

But I see, one has to be in the "gang" to contribute some critical words on this board.

No, you must "contribute some critical words" in the appropriate thread. You were warned that this was not a debate thread, yet persisted in posting arguments. Such posts will be removed. If you are dissatisfied with the parameters I set for this thread, start your own. Neither you nor anyone else has the right to hijack a thread.

 

[Velvet]

I like Graphite too!