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baby Vs. cobra ( video included)

Skychimp--

You are missing a HUGE point here...namely, the difference between "racism" and "bigotry".

"Racism" is the judgement of peoples based on race.

"Bigotry" is the actions and words one person uses to insult, defame, or put down another race or culture based on inherent differences such as traditions, skin color or locality.

Wikipedia says this:
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.

The origin of the word bigot in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to their prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false.
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In your above post, what you are calling "bigotry" is actually racism. Slavery based on race is racism. Period. Calling a person a derogatory name or refusing them service based on a cultural or apparrent difference is bigotry. There is a HUGE difference between the two.

One does NOT have to be a racist in order to be a bigot.

Your statements are bigotry, plain and simple.

As I said, repeatedly...you DO NOT have to support, respect, or even understand another culture's traditions to avoid being a bigot. You can say that it is wrong, it is immoral, or it is something that you wish would be stopped...but you don't have to call it stupid. There is fine line between stating an opinion of disagreement and being a bigot. You, sir, have crossed that line with that statement.

There ahve been PLENTY of people that readily expressed their distaste and disagreement with what is shown in the video without being bigotous. YOU crossed the line with that simple statement.

If you can't understand the difference between saying "I don't like that culture's activities" and "That culture is stupid", than you simply should NOT say ANYTHING at all.

Countless people across this country have spent a great deal of time protesting and legislating for changes in foreign cultural practices for hundreds of years. And they ALL did it with being bigots. You could too...if you tried...

The "Free Tibet" and "End Apartheid Now" campaigns would have gone absolutely NOWHERE if the organisers had allowed bigotry into their ranks. Bigotry IS ignorance, and I am truly sorry that you cannot find a better and more affirmative amnner in which to express your distaste. It is really more sad than aggravating...
 
SkyChimp said:
Hre's a link to a site that has a video of an Iranian woman being stoned to death.

http://www.iran-e-azad.org/stoning/women.html

Now, good man, reconcile that video with your statement. I'm waiting with baited breath.
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You still don't get it.

I don't have to JUSTIFY anything!! I don't agree with it. I don't think it is right. I DO think it should be changed and discontinued. I think the people that perform such atrocities should be punished as they would under a U.S. Judicial System. I think stuff like this and the snake video are wrong, and should be stopped.

Now...notice in that entire tirade against the ACTIONS, I never ONCE said a derogatory word about the PEOPLE or the CULTURE.

THAT is the basic difference between "respect" and "bigotry". I cannot blame a people because their history and traditions go against MY history and traditions. I can disagree with those activities all I want,. and I can even organize protests and rallies to draw attention to the situation and hope to bring about some sort of change.

And wouldn't you know it...I can do ALL of that without ever ONCE beiong a bigot in my thoughts or speech. I can do all of that without ever ONCE showing disrespect to the people involved...

THAT is the basic difference, and you, unfortunately, don't seem able to comprehend that simplicity...
 
"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own."

That definition is nonsense. I don't have any issues with homosexuality, Kwanza, Boxing Day or eating ham on Easter - though I don't subscribe to any of them. I do have issues with murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, and silly traditions that perpetuate snake bite deaths in a third world country.

Under your standards I may be a bigot. But I'd rather be that than whatever you are for accepting acts that "aren't 'stupid' because they are an integral part of that society, and like any culture and heritage, they have a place and they deserve respect."

Sorry, my friend, you're PC BS isn't cutting it.
 
that poor snake!! they also taped it's mouth shut! that is awful to do to a snake and a child...that is beyond parent cruelty!!
 
BTW, I'd be interested to know why, since you agree the snake-thing should be stopped, you don't think it's "stupid."

Why do you think it should be stopped? Hmmmmmm...

Does any reasonable person here believe that the acts in that video DO NOT meet one of the definitions of stupid?

stu·pid(stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless

I bet they don't. But I bet you'll tell me why it doesn't.
 
Maize411 said:
that poor snake!! they also taped it's mouth shut! that is awful to do to a snake and a child...that is beyond parent cruelty!!
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No no, you just don't understand. :bang:
 
SkyChimp said:
"A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own."

That definition is nonsense. I don't have any issues with homosexuality, Kwanza, Boxing Day or eating ham on Easter - though I don't subscribe to any of them. I do have issues with murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, and silly traditions that perpetuate snake bite deaths in a third world country.

Under your standards I may be a bigot. But I'd rather be that than whatever you are for accepting acts that "aren't 'stupid' because they are an integral part of that society, and like any culture and heritage, they have a place and they deserve respect."

Sorry, my friend, you're PC BS isn't cutting it.
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Dude...slow down and read. You'll find something out...I DON'T AGREE WITH IT!!!! This ultimately means that I DO NOT ACCEPT IT!!

Maybe I have made that point a little more clear by now?

First of all...you don't have to be a bigot about everything to be a bigot about something.

Second, I am not even going to BEGIN to outline the tremendous differences between incest, rape, and murder...and de-fanging venomous snakes.

Lastly, if you didn't get so worked up and bent out of shape over it, you would quickly realize that I am not in disagreement with you and your dislike of the activity portrayed. I never said it was OK, or right, or anything like that. I simply said that you should not call a cultural tradition stupid, because that is bigotry. It's ignorance, plain and simple.

As far as the definition you quoted...that isn't MY definition, that is the one from Wikipedia. And quite frankly, you are perfectly fitting OF that definition because you refuse to acknowledge that your choice of words was less than ideal...

FWIW...I'm done with this. I cannot have a battle of the wits with an unarmed individual...Perhaps if you had read all the way through even ONE of my posts, you might understand where I am coming from. But since you refuse to actually read what I write, and instead assume and insinuate based on what you THINK I might have wrote, the entire conversation is quickly becoming ridiculous. How many times can one person say "I think those activities are wrong", before you start to listen to what is actually being said? :shrugs:

At this point, your failure to comprehend these very simple facts is becoming humorous. So humorous, I am wondering if you are simply ACTING this way for shock value. I find it hard to believe that a person who presents themselves normally as an intelligent, and intellectual person in so many other topics is struggling this hard with such a simple definition and concept. Have fun with that... :wavey:
 
SkyChimp said:
BTW, I'd be interested to know why, since you agree the snake-thing should be stopped, you don't think it's "stupid."

Why do you think it should be stopped? Hmmmmmm...

Does any reasonable person here believe that the acts in that video DO NOT meet one of the definitions of stupid?

stu·pid(stpd, sty-)
adj. stu·pid·er, stu·pid·est
1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.
2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.
3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.
4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.
5. Pointless; worthless

I bet they don't. But I bet you'll tell me why it doesn't.
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It deoesn't fit ANY of those definitions.

1-in order to fit def. 1, the people would first need to understand that there is something WRONG with the current way they are doing it.
2-see number 1
3-see number 2 PLUS...the removal of the fangs showed a marked intelligence in the activity, whether right or wrong by your moral standards.
4-uhh...just didn't see that in the video...sorry.
5-By whose standrds? Yours or their own cultures?

You don't have to be insulting and demeaning to an entire culture of individuals to say that you don't agree with the activities of a few. Period. End of conversation.

Oh, and I think it should be stopped because it is cruel to the animal to subject it to that amount of undue stress. See? Made my point without being a bigot. Pretty easy to do, really...
 
My friend, you're the master of the double-speak.

"I simply said that you should not call a cultural tradition stupid, because that is bigotry. It's ignorance, plain and simple."
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According to your definition, ANY unacceptance is bigotry. No two ways around it. You are as much a bigot as I am.

I find it unacceptable because its stupid. It meets the defitinition, and I know how you are about definitions. You find it unacceptable but don't have the guts to agree its stupid. And you do it in some vain hope of holding whatever moral high-ground you think you have. My friend, you have none. You simply look like another silly politically-correct elitist.
 
tyflier said:
She said her peace without being a bigot...imagine that... :rolleyes: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
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:puke01:

Saying "it" makes one a bigot, but thinking it and not saying it means you are not a bigot.

Interesting. And idiotic.
 
SkyChimp said:
My friend, you're the master of the double-speak.



According to your definition, ANY unacceptance is bigotry. No two ways around it. You are as much a bigot as I am.

I find it unacceptable because its stupid. It meets the defitinition, and I know how you are about definitions. You find it unacceptable but don't have the guts to agree its stupid. And you do it in some vain hope of holding whatever moral high-ground you think you have. My friend, you have none. You simply look like another silly politically-correct elitist.
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:roflmao: :roflmao:

You're a funny man. You STILL haven't read any of my replies, have you...

You didn't call the ACTIVITY stupid, you called CULTURAL TRADITIONS stupid. Big difference.

I think it's stupid to play with venomous snakes. In some cultures, it is a rite of passage. Do I think their tradtitions are stupid? Nope...it's their tradition. I wouldn't do it. But it is their tradition, and I have no right to judge it's stupidity or intelligence, as I simply have no substance on which to base that judgement.
 
SkyChimp said:
:puke01:

Saying "it" makes one a bigot, but thinking it and not saying it means you are not a bigot.

Interesting. And idiotic.
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Listen...SAYING IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM IS DIFFERENT THAN KEEPING IT TO YOURSELF!!

Plain enough for you?

I don't care what you think in your little mind. I don't care if you are a racist or a bigot in your daily life. I don't care about you enough to give even half a $%^& what you think about from one day to the next. Putting it in writing on a public forum is bigotry. You crossed that line.

I can't very well call someone a bigot if they never make a bigotous comment that I hear or read, now, can I???

You are thicker than a brick wall and more stubborn than a child...
 
tyflier said:
Listen...SAYING IT ON A PUBLIC FORUM IS DIFFERENT THAN KEEPING IT TO YOURSELF!!

Plain enough for you?

I don't care what you think in your little mind. I don't care if you are a racist or a bigot in your daily life. I don't care about you enough to give even half a $%^& what you think about from one day to the next. Putting it in writing on a public forum is bigotry. You crossed that line.

I can't very well call someone a bigot if they never make a bigotous comment that I hear or read, now, can I???

You are thicker than a brick wall and more stubborn than a child...
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Bigot....... :eek1:
 
tyflier said:
You didn't call the ACTIVITY stupid, you called CULTURAL TRADITIONS stupid. Big difference.
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That activity IS a cultural tradition. No matter how hard you wish it - so you don't look equally bigotted - you can't sparate them.

Face it buddy, you're PCBS isn't cutting it.

If the activity is stupid, and the the activity is a cultural tradition, then the cultural tradition is stupid.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Stupid.
 
Wow.. I wish every one would Chill.. As the saying goes "There's a sucker born every minute".
I personally do not believe this video is real.
 
SkyChimp said:
That activity IS a cultural tradition. No matter how hard you wish it - so you don't look equally bigotted - you can't sparate them.

Face it buddy, you're PCBS isn't cutting it.

If the activity is stupid, and the the activity is a cultural tradition, then the cultural tradition is stupid.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Stupid.
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It amazes me how you can be so glaringly WRONG and still so insistent.

The "activity" is something that would be "stupid" for me to attempt. However, I do not need to insult and entire culture and/or race of people with derogatory comments in order to disagree with their activity. I cannot call the "tradition" stupid because my limited experience with the "activity" is such that I do not, CANNOT, understand the context in which they perform the activity.

I wouldn't eat peyote. For me, it would be a stupid decision because my psyche is not prepared to handle such a perceptual shift of reality. However, the "tradition" of eating peyote as a spiritual and religious rite of Native Americans is such that I cannot comprehend it's use. Just because I cannot comprehend nor understand their tradition, does NOT mean the tradition is stupid. Would it be stupid of me to participate? Absolutely. Is the tradition stupid? Absolutely not. It is outside my realm of experience and comprehension. If anything that makes ME stupid, not the tradition...
 
Whatever, Ty. You go on believing in your moral superiority. I'll go on believing you're a huckster who goes to the extreme to save his PC image.
 
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