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Berlin Wall

mike17l

Self-Admitted Duckoholic
I can go to Copenhagen to to sell the Olympics in Chi-town, but I cannot go to Berlin for the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall? Really? Thanks for supporting Democracy and the fall of Communism.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/08/obama-draws-criticism-sitting-berlin-wall-anniversary/

Obama Draws Criticism for Sitting Out Berlin Wall Anniversary

The president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.

President Obama squeezed in a trip to Copenhagen last month to lobby, unsuccessfully, for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. He plans to travel to Oslo next month to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award that even Obama has said he does not deserve. And this coming week, he sets out on a weeklong tour of Asia.

But the president does not plan to travel to Germany to attend the 20th anniversary celebration Monday of the fall of the Berlin Wall, drawing heated criticism from those who say he's ignoring a shining triumph of American-inspired democracy.

"A tragedy," is how former House Speaker Newt Gingrich described Obama's absence.

Some question whether the decision not to go was a nod to Russia, with which the Obama administration is trying to mend relations, or just another attempt to play down the perception of the United States as an exceptional superpower.

For its part, the administration is citing a scheduling conflict. The White House says the president simply does not have the time to go, with the trip to Asia starting Wednesday.

"Obviously we have a lot to work on here and we have commitments for an upcoming Asia trip," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Tuesday, noting that a "very senior delegation" of U.S. officials would attend.

That delegation is led by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who traveled to Berlin Sunday ahead of the festivities -- the first stop for the secretary on a trip through Europe and Asia.

Obama acknowledged the anniversary of the fall of the wall last week during his meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"We are now moving towards the 20th anniversary of the Berlin Wall coming down and Germany being reunified after so many painful years," Obama said. "And this is a special moment for Chancellor Merkel, as somebody who grew up in East Germany, who understands what it's like to be under the shadow of a dictatorial regime, and to see how freedom has bloomed in Germany, how it has become the centerpiece for a extraordinarily strong European Union."

He said the U.S.-Germany alliance is an "extraordinary pillar of the transatlantic relationship."

But some saw Obama's decision not to travel personally to Berlin as a snub to Merkel, Germany and the history behind the anniversary.

"Barack Is Too Busy," Germany's Der Spiegel magazine declared in a headline last month, writing that Obama had declined Merkel's invitation.

While Obama has traveled to Germany since taking office, he has not as president traveled to Berlin -- the site of his major speech in July 2008 during his overseas campaign tour. During that speech, he acknowledged Berlin's struggle, saying, "This city, of all cities, knows the dream of freedom."

Why then, critics asked, would the U.S. president not revisit that site to mark the culmination of that dream? After all, he has established himself as an intrepid traveler in office, setting off on a slew of overseas trips during his first 10 months on the job.

On several of the stops he has expressed regret for past American behavior, but the Berlin Wall anniversary was seen as an opportunity for the president to honor an American and Western victory for which the U.S. need feel no regret.

"It is a true shame that the president of the United States -- this man who cloaks himself in the rhetoric of hope -- won't be pausing to remember," Gingrich wrote in a column last week in The Washington Examiner.

The National Review's Rich Lowry wrote that the decision speaks to Obama's "dismissive view of the Cold War as a relic distorting our thinking."

"John F. Kennedy famously told Berliners, 'Ich bin ein Berliner.' On the 20th anniversary of the last century's most stirring triumph of freedom, Obama is telling them, 'Ich bin beschaftigt' -- i.e., I'm busy," he wrote. "Obama's failure to go to Berlin is the most telling nonevent of his presidency. It's hard to imagine any other American president eschewing the occasion."
 
That's just sad and being lazy!!! I think it's because of the health care bills he is trying to pass.
Sidenote: a close friend of mine was there when the wall was torn down and in a box some where in my house I have a piece of it. It is about 5 inches X 5 inches.
 
... Perhaps he just didn't want to go to Germany? I mean, it's not his obligation to travel everywhere in the world to experience every anniversary. He has children as well. I'm sure he has an obligation to them.
I guess I just don't see how it's "a tradgedy" for him not to attend.
 
Yeah, that's it, cause in the grand scheme of things, trying to sell the Olympics is so, sooooo much more important than the anniversary of probably one of the greatest peace forging events of the millenium . . . especially considering he earned himself a nobel peace prize . . . apparently for delaying the switch to digital TV. Yeah, that's it.

Of course, Mike's just spreading more propaganda and misinformation about the THE greatest president to run this country EVAH!!!

D80
 
Hey! You know, I never said he was the greatest president ever. But I do know that, when you have a family AND a country to run AND a week long trip a day or two after the trip he would take to Germany, some things are more important than celebrating, regardless of the signifigance of the event.
Supporters of George Bush (all five of them) didn't seem to mind that it took him two weeks to make it to Lousiana after hurricane Katrina. Or that he frequently took vacations on his private ranch during the war that we are currently in.
Barack Obama has spent a shartload of money. Perhaps he's trying to save some. Perhaps we as the general public have no idea how difficult his job is or how well thought out his decision was.

So, don't be all sarcastic and rude with me. You failed to state any major points about why it was so bad that he didn't fly to Germany for a day, or at least, any NEW points.
 
But I do know that, when you have a family AND a country to run AND a week long trip a day or two after the trip he would take to Germany, some things are more important than celebrating, regardless of the signifigance of the event.
True. Good point. I'm sooooo happy that he delayed digital TV as his first official act as president. It really brought change to my life.

Supporters of George Bush (all five of them) didn't seem to mind that it took him two weeks to make it to Lousiana after hurricane Katrina. Or that he frequently took vacations on his private ranch during the war that we are currently in.
Nice try. Katrina "happened" on Aug. 29-30th. Bush's first visit was September 2nd. Hardly two weeks AND they complained that aid was halted and services slowed due to the security he needed while he was there.

Barack Obama has spent a shartload of money. Perhaps he's trying to save some.
Seriously? That's it? He's not even saving a dust spec of money in comparison to the shartload of money he's spent because he chose NOT to fly across the Atlantic. Wow. Just wow.

Perhaps we as the general public have no idea how difficult his job is or how well thought out his decision was.
You WOULD presume that obama's decision is well thought out, but Bush's delay had an ulterior motive. Nice. Nevermind that it's the same president that's made the decision to have a holiday tree in the White House this year instead of Christmas tree. Let the debate really begin now!! Woohoo!

D80
 
The anniversary of the re-unification of a country divided by the last world war. If his daughter's puppet show is more important then maybe he should not have run for president. :shrugs:
 
Ok. I'm just not going to participate in this "discussion" anymore. For one thing, that "shartload of money" comment was a joke. Sorry that didn't translate for you. And another, anyone who defends George W. Bush immediately sets off some alarms for me.

Over and out!
 
President Obama squeezed in a trip to Copenhagen last month to lobby, unsuccessfully, for Chicago to host the 2016 Summer Olympics. He plans to travel to Oslo next month to accept the Nobel Peace Prize, an award that even Obama has said he does not deserve. And this coming week, he sets out on a weeklong tour of Asia.

So... does he plan on spending any time in the US? Or is he just enjoying international travel at taxpayer expense? Is it too late to change my vote?
 
*yawn*

He needs an ev'ryman type of pseudo-ranch to spend his time at. Then we'd all know he was a real 'Mer'can. God bless.

Everytime someone slurs American, it has fewer and fewer letters. Pretty soon people are going to refer to Americans as "Mn"
 
So for all we know, no one from the US government attended this great event for modern, America-inspired democracy. And yet Obama takes all the heat.

Interesting.
That's part of the job I guess. I don't recall a recent president that has not taken the wrap for what happens under his admin. :shrugs:
 
That's part of the job I guess. I don't recall a recent president that has not taken the wrap for what happens under his admin. :shrugs:

That's 'rap'.

That's true, unless you're dubya, but I was alluding to the fact that if no official from the US, including the Republicans who would flip if you said Obama was responsible for them, thought this was important enough to attend, maybe the problem is with those freaking out about it.
 
That's 'rap'.

That's true, unless you're dubya, ...
Seriously?!?! How many pages of quotes from this site alone do you want on 'dubya' being blamed? It goes with the job, credit for the good blame for the bad. You can't really believe he didn't get blamed for a boat load of things can you?!?!? With each admin there is always blame some deserved and some undeserved. No party is immune.

... but I was alluding to the fact that if no official from the US, ... , thought this was important enough to attend, maybe the problem is with those freaking out about it.
So nobody attended? I honestly don't know. If so shame on them all! Though it probably is more the job of the president or sec of state than that of a congressman or senator.

... including the Republicans who would flip if you said Obama was responsible for them ...
As would dems if you said 'dubya' was responsible for them. :shrugs::shrugs::shrugs:
 
I've been trying to steer clear of political conversations on this site for a while now because they began to become repetitive and bore me, but I had an experience the other day that I thought fit into this little debate quite well.

I don't remember who said it, but somebody said something to the effect of, "Anybody who defends George W. Bush raises some flags in my mind." This is such a ridiculous assumption/response that I just have to ask why? Is it because he was painted by the media as being the direct son of satin himself? Or was it because of something he did that was actually THAT detrimental to the US? Because after the experience I had the other day I have to admit I think the whole, "Worst president ever" thing just doesn't cut it.

I was sitting on a plane the other day flying from Iowa to Texas and the plane got stuck on the runway for about an hour and a half (freakin' American Airlines...). Luckily I had the fortunate position of sitting next to two extremely interesting gentlemen for a history buff like myself. I was sitting next to the directors of the Hoover and Clinton presidential libraries. I began talking to both of them about their jobs and the history of their specified presidents and the research they all do as a collective whole of Presidential Library directors. After about an hour I decided to ask them where they thought Bush would rank on the scheme of grander scheme of things in US presidents. Now, mind you that this is the opinion of two quite liberal directors of two democratic presidents. Both talked about it with me for a bit then they agreed that after all is said and done and the documents have had some time to sit and the policies have a chance to set in that Dubya would probably end up ranking among the top 20 president to ever preside over this great country. I found that very interesting and they said that he would probably have ranked even higher if he hadn't passed that damn No Child Left Behind bill.

Now, this is just the opinion of two Presidential Library Directors, but my guess is they have a much MUCH better understanding about what it takes to make a good leader and a good president than any of us do so I'm gonna take their word on it and see what happens. Remember, Truman was considered the "Worst president ever" when he left office and now he's considered one of the top 10 presidents we've ever had....

So, my point is that this whole Dubya ruined the world bit is just old and ridiculous. Its just as much a media ploy as the whole "Obama is the antichrist" thing. Neither has much basis and is basically slander created by Fox and NBC. Let's just drop it and actually debate about who does normally ruin the world, Congress.

Thanks and Gig 'Em
 
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