ZoologyGirl
Under Tank Heather
Not a tessera fan, but the genetics on this are very interesting. And I have to admit, I do kind of like that wide perfect stripe on the dorsal side.
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black belly's by tessera ????
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Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
After seeing that picture I believe that Tessera is a true co-dominant mutation. Sure, it's not an astoundingly different super-form but it is still a co-dominant. Much like how the Enchi and Super Enchi Ball Python looks very similar but the Super Enchi is indeed a Super.
StrangeCargo
New member
BUT you can't say something is Co-Dom by JUST looking at a picture. It will take rasining up the animals and breeding them to prove out that idea. It also doesn't explain why KJ & I or Don DIDN'T see animals like that when we did Tessera X Tessera breedings.
He purchased/exported his Tesseras from Don. Both were from Tessera outcrossings (One was het bloodred...the other was het something else)... so there's no chance his breeders were from Tessera X Tessera breedings.
SOMETHING COOL IS GOING ON... and it's going to take time & breedings to sort out.
Just my 2 cents!
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
Oh, of course not. I have geckos right now that I'm sure are a new morphs, but until I breed it out they are normals. As far as we know the Tessera mutation is a Dominant mutation and until one of those fancy animals is bred to another Tessera and we get something like 2/4 Supers and 2/4 Tesseras it's a co-dominant. Heck it could be some other gene screwing with the color, but that black belly is just too cool! Maybe I'll have to buy myself a pair of Tesseras!
StrangeCargo
New member
Maybe this will give everyone something to "chew on". Below is part of an email Will (Wilfried Rusch) of Germany (the owner & breeder of the Black belly Tesseras) sent me a few days back. He is VERY nice- honest- and a super breeder. He has some outstanding animals! (Keep up the great work Will!!!!!)
"Hi Graham,
at first sorry, but my Englich is not so well..))-;
I have one important question and hope that you may help me!?
In 2010 I bought 1.1 Tessera from Don Soderberg.
1.0 = Tessera - from Tessera X Bloodred
0.1 = Tessera - from Tessera X Classic Striped
Thats all I know about my two Tessera.
I breed them together and now are 14 Baby`s still there.
So far - so good!
Theoretically should the Baby`s be 75% Tessera and 25% Classics
I get 100% Tessera...
4 X Striped Tessera het.
7 X Tessera het.
1 X Tessera Rough Striped het.
1 X may be Tessera Motley het.
1 X may be Tessera Bloodred het. "
I don't know Don's full results from his Tessera X Tessera breeding BUT KJ & mine's breeding of Tessera X Tessera was the 75% litter= Tesseras 25% litter= normals/classics.
Obviously Will's Tessera het Bloodred was het motley/stripe without his knowledge--- normally Stripe & motley clears a corns belly of any pigment... with Tessera we sometimes see some checkers (well until now...now we know there can be black bellies).... This clutch has me baffled.... def. somthing VERY NEAT going on with the Tessera gene!!!!!!!!!
"Hi Graham,
at first sorry, but my Englich is not so well..))-;
I have one important question and hope that you may help me!?
In 2010 I bought 1.1 Tessera from Don Soderberg.
1.0 = Tessera - from Tessera X Bloodred
0.1 = Tessera - from Tessera X Classic Striped
Thats all I know about my two Tessera.
I breed them together and now are 14 Baby`s still there.
So far - so good!
Theoretically should the Baby`s be 75% Tessera and 25% Classics
I get 100% Tessera...
4 X Striped Tessera het.
7 X Tessera het.
1 X Tessera Rough Striped het.
1 X may be Tessera Motley het.
1 X may be Tessera Bloodred het. "
I don't know Don's full results from his Tessera X Tessera breeding BUT KJ & mine's breeding of Tessera X Tessera was the 75% litter= Tesseras 25% litter= normals/classics.
Obviously Will's Tessera het Bloodred was het motley/stripe without his knowledge--- normally Stripe & motley clears a corns belly of any pigment... with Tessera we sometimes see some checkers (well until now...now we know there can be black bellies).... This clutch has me baffled.... def. somthing VERY NEAT going on with the Tessera gene!!!!!!!!!
StrangeCargo
New member
I just don't understand these cool blackbellies- there is SOMETHING different going on. IF it was JUST a weird Dorsal pattern OR JUST a weird balck belly we could write it off as just being an extreme/abbarent expression of Tessera.... What is really getting me is that BOTH blackbellies have almost identical odd dorsal patterns.
I'm glad there's a bunch of us working with them these days. As we breed more and more Tesseras we should get a better picture of whats going on.
Will-HH
New member
..yes, the Baybys are really amazing and I´m glad to have them at home!
Last night I posted the two with Black Bellys on my homepage: http://www.kornnattern.net/html/news.html
The one with the Grey Belly is after her first skinning not longer Grey but now she has a Brown Belly. The other one become after her skinning some dark brown spots in her Black Belly.
Some Holdbacks of the clutches: http://www.kornnattern.net/html/tessera_babys.html
StrangeCargo
New member
Wonderful animals Will- Thank you for sharing. I think everyone on here is LOVING your Blackbelly Tesseras...
Pictured below is the ORIGINAL female from the 2.1 that started it all. She bred for me this year...
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Will-HH
New member
Shiari, of course it could be an Tessera Motley!
Take a look at:
http://cornsnakes.net/photo-gallery/category/130-tessera-motley.html
And than look at my Baby: http://www.kornnattern.net/html/tessera_holdbacks_4.html
Take a look at:
http://cornsnakes.net/photo-gallery/category/130-tessera-motley.html
And than look at my Baby: http://www.kornnattern.net/html/tessera_holdbacks_4.html
Camby
He will join us or die
Why would you speak in such absolutes when so little is still known about the trait? Maybe I have just missed it, but I have not seen a "normal" motley type with the lateral look of the one Will held back and the one on Don's page. Are they in fact Motley Tessera? Heck, I don't know, but I also don't know that they aren't at this point either. All that has to be done is to know breed the "motley tessera" back to a classic with no motley or stripe traits and see what happens.
That said, the math indicates it IS a motley Tessera. He had 14 eggs, he produced 6 stripe/motley types. The simple recessive trait inheritence would be approximately half the clutch would be motley/stripe types Obviously his tessera is het stripe and one of them is het motley also. That makes sense due to the fact the original lines KJ, Graham and Don started with were het stripe, so Will got lucky by his inheriting the stripe gene also. If his identifiactions are correct and the "maybe tesseras" are just normals, then he produced a tad over 75% tesseras which falls in line with Graham and KJ's results.
Either way, at this point, too much is unknown and we are all just guessing on certain things. Like Graham suggests, give it another 1-3 years and a whole lot more will be realized. Personally, I am interested to see if the mode of stipe and motley inheritence is affected on the snakes that are "normal" by-products of the tessera breedings.
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BloodyBaroness
Captain Titsworth
I agree 100%. This gene has a lot of potential when it's combined with others. It's going to take some time, testing and a large results pool to start labeling things.
StrangeCargo
New member
VERY neat looking!!!!! That dorsal pattern is AMAZING---so perfect!