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Bloodred, Butter Mot, Reverse etc etc

There is more than just the feeding issue when it comes to co-habitating snakes. Marcel knows and understands all the potential problems. Many newbies don't. THAT is the big difference! Look at all the threads posted this year asking for help because a young snake became gravid or one isn't eating...all because they were housed together. Many of the "rules" are more recommendations to protect the snake from potential problems, not guaranteed problems. One of my favorite rules, that I will always follow, is not to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Yet, people break that rule all the time. Most of them don't experience any problems, but every once in awhile, someone does. I'm not willing to take that risk.
 
diamondlil said:
ok, so the deal on here is that 'experienced' people can break the rules, and no-one can give a negative comment, but heaven forbid any newbie should do the same?
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If you are first learning how to ride a bicycle, you should not be riding with no hands. If you are first learning addition, you should not be using a calculator to just 'give' you the answer. If you are learning how to dive, you should not be bouncing on the end of the board multiple times. If you are learning to cook, you should follow the recipe. etc etc

Rules exist for a reason. In pretty much everything that is a learned skill, there are "rules" that are meant to keep beginners on track, but those rules become less important (or non-important) once someone has gained the necessary skills/knowledge to understand or predict the consequences using their own judgement, and they are capable of deciding how to arrive at the desired outcome without the aid of those rules.

If someone is new to keeping snakes, they will not necessarily have the ability to see as easily if something is going "wrong" or know how to fix something that they know is going wrong. It is wise to first know how things are supposed to work before exposing yourself to a situation where problems can occur. :)
 
I just couldn't help but add . . . And if you are still learning how to write, you should not be writing like e e cummings! :sidestep:

Nice looking snakes, Marcel!
 
That picture of the hypo is one of the best I have ever seen, so darn cute!

The other greyish snake, is that a lavender?

On the feeding and houding together subject; pics of this might confuse newbies, so I think if posting any, the poster should always put a 'Do not try this at home' warning with it for newbies. I do understand why people still make comments on it though....

I do have a question Marcel; what is the reason why you are cohabitating and feeding them together? Saving time and money only or maybe another one? (Not meant sarcastic in any way)
 
Blutengel said:
The other greyish snake, is that a lavender?
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Yes, that is a Lavender. Not the prettiest one but I like her.

Blutengel said:
I do have a question Marcel; what is the reason why you are cohabitating and feeding them together? Saving time and money only or maybe another one? (Not meant sarcastic in any way)
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I like to watch snakes when they are in their cage. In opposite of a rack system. And putting only one snake in a cage seems to be a waste of space. I feed some of the corns in their cage because I don't want to disturb them by handling. Some need to be put in feeding container because they will steal away mice from others. ;) I love the look of two corns cuddle up

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That is why I house them in vivs too; watching them! But I did feel 'pressed' by the general opinion to house them separately, and I do think it is a good idea as a snake novice. Though before I had bought me 15 vivs totally, I had some together and none of them showed signs of stress; they all ate, shed and pood fine. Maybe in a couple of years my b/fr 'allows' me more snakes, which I can put together with the ones I already have, having more experience... :rolleyes:
 
Blutengel said:
That is why I house them in vivs too; watching them! But I did feel 'pressed' by the general opinion to house them separately, and I do think it is a good idea as a snake novice. Though before I had bought me 15 vivs totally, I had some together and none of them showed signs of stress; they all ate, shed and pood fine. Maybe in a couple of years my b/fr 'allows' me more snakes, which I can put together with the ones I already have, having more experience... :rolleyes:
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But if you visit dutch forums you may feel pressed to not house them in tubs.

I feel a little pressed on both sides :D
So I choose what seems the best way to me.
Housing seperate until they are adults, then in a large natural viv.
And only if it goes well, so I choose both ways (seperate in tubs, & co-habitat in large viv).
But if it does not go well, I will have enough vivs & tubs to house them seperate.
 
I'm just slightly surprised of the general acceptance of a practise that has been stated so many times to have no benefit to the snakes and so many potential problems.
I'm aware that differences in skill level will affect all aspects of husbandry, and that a learning curve can teach you shortcuts and allow for practise that a beginner may have little or no chance of success with.
Having said that, I will say for the last time that each person has their own choice in how they keep their snakes, they look healthy and I hope they continue to thrive in their 'unconvential' setup
 
Llewella said:
But if you visit dutch forums you may feel pressed to not house them in tubs.

I feel a little pressed on both sides :D
So I choose what seems the best way to me.
Housing seperate until they are adults, then in a large natural viv.
And only if it goes well, so I choose both ways (seperate in tubs, & co-habitat in large viv).
But if it does not go well, I will have enough vivs & tubs to house them seperate.
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I do keep them separated in vivs, not tubs, since I am already up to a limit of 15 (agreement with b/fr). I have space for that. Maybe I would end up using tubs when being avle to have limitless amounts of snakes, instead of cohabbing, but I like seeing them clearly and to provide them with climbing devices if they want to.
 
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