Breeding Kingsnake x Guttata

[Double het]

Hi,

I have a question. I am wondering if it's possible to breed a female nigritus with a male gutatta. I don't have a male nigritus to get the female 'in the mood'. What steps to take?

I am aware the female is canibalistic and the offspring will be as well. I know how to deal with this.

Second, does anyone have any pictures of cross nigritus/guttata? So i have an idea of what the offspring might look like?

 

[hartsock]

ummmm.............why?

 

[Double het]

I don't need to explain myself to you. I am just asking a question. If you don't like it leave it.

 

[hartsock]

I don't need to explain myself to you. I am just asking a question. If you don't like it leave it.

All I asked is why. I didn't condemn, I didn't judge, all I asked is why. to just put "why?" the post would not have been long enough to be accepted. What's the problem? But since you apparently haven't had your morning coffee, I guess you are more on edge in asking a question that does have alot of moral and ethical issues to it. Good luck with that breeding program there, hope you make all the money you desire with your little hybrids, of course you'll need two male guttatas. Because after all the first one will be dinner and then hopefully the second can get some action in before he dies.

And oh, BTW, I wasn't critical of you before the nice little curt response; but that post leaves alot to be desired.

 

[Double het]

I don't live in America. It's nearing the end of the work there here. Also, i don't drink coffee.

Can anyone else help me with my question?

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

I don't need to explain myself to you. I am just asking a question. If you don't like it leave it.

With responses like this you will be hard pressed for anyone to reply to your post. hartsock was just asking a simple question as to why you might be interested in such a project. I don't feel he/she was trying to be condisending in any way. I do believe your response inturn was rather rude. This is a good community filled with great people that have tons of information to share. If you would like people to help you out in the future replying the way you did is not the way to get it done.

Now, back to your question. Yes crossing a Cornsnake with a MBK has been done before. Vinman is selling a 75%-25% cross that looks great. Here is a link to the thread........

http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57055

I have also provided you with a picture from that thread so you can see what one looks like. You don't have to worry about me asking about your breeding project as you have made it clear that you don't have to answer to anyone but at the same time you want us to answer to you. Please, in the future reply to others as you would have them reply to you.
Jay

 

[Double het]

Awnsering a question is something entirely else then having to awnser to someone Why i want this isn't really relevant. I just want to know how.

That is indeed a beautifull snake.

 

[Duff]

Sorry, but I gotta side with the OP on this one. The response to the "why" question wasn't rude at all. It was simple and honest. And judging by the response to the reaction, I would say the "why" question wasn't just a simple question. Hartsock clearly appears to be anti-hybrid and I definitely got that from the way he asked why in the first place.

Unfortunately, I don't have any help to actually add, just wanted to show some support as I think this is already taking a completely uncalled for bad turn.

 

[hartsock]

Awnsering a question is something entirely else then having to awnser to someone Why i want this isn't really relevant. I just want to know how.

That is indeed a beautifull snake.

Double here is the thing...I know nothing about hybrids like that when it comes to corns. I am trying to learn as well. Asking why is a way to learn...does it produce some special pattern or morph, could it produce something with one body type but have the others markings? I didn't and still don't know. I asked why because I was curious. I wanted to know and understand why you wanted to do this. You showed a complete lack of respect for my by answering the way you did. You also showed a complete lack of respect for everyone else on here with your explanations of why you acted like that. You came here wanting knowledge and answers, but you want it as only a one way street. You want people to answer you, but freak out if you are asked a question. That is a pretty shallow way to use these forums. I wasn't trying to make you answer to me, I was trying to learn myself and was trying to get to know you as well with some conversation. so,whatever... I could really care less what you think, but just don't understand why you are so defensive and secretive. Forums are meant as a way to interact with people, not just as a reference book. so go breed your snakes and I hope everything turns out wonderful for you...but do me a favor because in a few days I won't remember this post or who you are, so when the eggs hatch, don't post any pics because I would be afraid that saying they are nice snakes might be offensive to you.

 

[hartsock]

Sorry, but I gotta side with the OP on this one. The response to the "why" question wasn't rude at all. It was simple and honest. And judging by the response to the reaction, I would say the "why" question wasn't just a simple question. Hartsock clearly appears to be anti-hybrid and I definitely got that from the way he asked why in the first place.

Unfortunately, I don't have any help to actually add, just wanted to show some support as I think this is already taking a completely uncalled for bad turn.

I am not anti-hybrid, I know nothing about hybrids when it comes to corns x anything. I have friends who are part of NERD who do alot of hybrids and where I may not agree with all of them, it is one of those gray areas when it comes to some boids, but with colubrids, as far as I understand there are no defects (that I am aware of) simple question of asking why. Maybe should have been worded differently to ensure that I wasn't coming off with an attitude, (which I have now I will admit), but I don't understand what the big deal is.

 

[diamondlil]

Sorry, but I gotta side with the OP on this one. The response to the "why" question wasn't rude at all. It was simple and honest. And judging by the response to the reaction, I would say the "why" question wasn't just a simple question. Hartsock clearly appears to be anti-hybrid and I definitely got that from the way he asked why in the first place.

Unfortunately, I don't have any help to actually add, just wanted to show some support as I think this is already taking a completely uncalled for bad turn.

I read the 'ummmm, why' as a bit rude too.
Vinman has done a corn x mbk breeding, he breeds corn hybrids to get totally different looks, so a PM to him might be helpful

 

[Double het]

here's the thing. The Ummmm.... part turned me off. As in, Ummmm.... why the hell you want that? I've had my share of "NOOOO! Your an idiot if you do that" thrown at me by people who at utterly convinced their right and you are wrong by default. Usually by people just beginning with snakes and are little more then bookwise but quite happy to start dictating you anyway. And yes, usually by people i don't even now. I won't have any of that anymore. Any arguments are cut short.
You didn't want to know about colors etc to learn because i already stated that as my question.

Also, talk about disrespect. I already stated i know about canibalism and how to deal with it. I don't see why you need to bring up some imaginary scene my male get's eaten. Like i let anything happen to my beauties!

Anyway. I wanted to know because i see so many very beautifull hybrids. Sometimes even more beautyfull then the pure ones. I wanted to know if i could get something really nice from such a pairing. And how it needs to be done. Just to be prepared when the next breeding season starts.

People may be against it but rude as it may sound. That ain't my problem. You may try to convince me by good, solid arguments. But really there aren't many. I see much, much more problems in the whole inbreeding is OK thing that's going on then that there might be some idiot who will sell offspring of my hybrid as pure. Or the 'Curvers are good for snakes' then the 'etical' issues of hybrids.

Don't assume i am a newby just because i am newly registered

 

[hartsock]

here's the thing. The Ummmm.... part turned me off. As in, Ummmm.... why the hell you want that? I've had my share of "NOOOO! Your an idiot if you do that" thrown at me by people who at utterly convinced their right and you are wrong by default. Usually by people just beginning with snakes and are little more then bookwise but quite happy to start dictating you anyway. And yes, usually by people i don't even now. I won't have any of that anymore. Any arguments are cut short.
You didn't want to know about colors etc to learn because i already stated that as my question.

Also, talk about disrespect. I already stated i know about canibalism and how to deal with it. I don't see why you need to bring up some imaginary scene my male get's eaten. Like i let anything happen to my beauties!

Anyway. I wanted to know because i see so many very beautifull hybrids. Sometimes even more beautyfull then the pure ones. I wanted to know if i could get something really nice from such a pairing. And how it needs to be done. Just to be prepared when the next breeding season starts.

People may be against it but rude as it may sound. That ain't my problem. You may try to convince me by good, solid arguments. But really there aren't many. I see much, much more problems in the whole inbreeding is OK thing that's going on then that there might be some idiot who will sell offspring of my hybrid as pure. Or the 'Curvers are good for snakes' then the 'etical' issues of hybrids.

Don't assume i am a newby just because i am newly registered

well, I didn't assume you were a newby, just didn't realize why you came off like that in the post. I realize now the ummmm... seemed like I had an attitude and I honestly didn't mean it that way. You thought I was attacking so you retaliated and I did back as well. As far as the snake getting eaten, I was just being a smart aleck. And as far as the colors and traits, I did want to know...I mean if you were thinking of doing that then you must have heard or suspected that it would give you some cool offspring right? Hence the question "why?" Which you more or less answered in this post. I do apologize that my first post came across rude, but if I had to do it over again, I would still ask you why --- just maybe in a different way.

Anyway, I am not here to argue with you. As far as your hybrids, I hope they turn out nicely for you. And really the only problem that I really have with any breeding program is that if the breeder knows that there are birth defect traits that are going to show up in the snakes because of the pairings of the parents, yet they still go ahead and do it because they want the one or two that will turn out okay...that is when I have a problem. Hybrids are snakes too! LOL, so while I still will say you didn't need to post that reply (I am stubborned and headstrong) I will apologize for the percieved rudeness in my first post and the absolute blatant rudeness in the post that followed that.

 

[Nanci]

I think a person can be anti-hybrid all they want, in principle, but then something like this comes along and it's like- I don't care what it is- it's gorgeous and I want it.

Nanci

 

[hartsock]

I think a person can be anti-hybrid all they want, in principle, but then something like this comes along and it's like- I don't care what it is- it's gorgeous and I want it.

Nanci

:eek1:

what is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And where do I get one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nanci]

Hybrid Names

I think it's an Imperial Milk, but I'm not sure. Wait till you see the one I have a picture of at home...

I came the closest ever to buying a snake, unplanned, at a show last Saturday. It was a Jurassic Milk, and it looked like a black and white spotted Holstein cow. Easily the most beautiful snake at the show. I'm still sort of kicking myself and wondering if that breeder is going to be at Orlando in a week...And I am _not_ a hybrid lover. I don't even _want_ another snake.

Albino Cal king x Florida king = Lemon King
Thayeri x Greeri = Basic Carpet king
Thayeri x Nelson's Milk = Clown King
Thayeri x Albino Nelsons Milk = Het Candy coloured Clown
Thayeri x Ruthven's King = Pastel King
Pueblan Milk x Banana Cal King = Imperial Pueblan
Pueblan Milk x Honduran Milk = Camduran
Honduran Milk x Albino Cal King x Florida King = Jurassic Milk
Pearl Corn x Albino Cal King x Goini King = Titian King
Desert King x Corn snake x Albino Cal King = Splendida Jungle Corn
Ruthven's King x Corn snake = Tri Colour Jungle Corn
Corn snake x cal king = Jungle Corn
Corn snake x Imperial Pueblan = Imperial pueblacorn
Corn snake x Pueblan Milk = Pueblacorn
Corn snake x Leucistic Texas Ratsnake = Pearl Corn
Corn snake x Sinaloan Milks = Sinacorn
Corn snake x Honduran Milk = Cornduran
Corn snake x Gophersnake = Turbocorns
holbrooki x corn = Axminster Corn
Albino Black Ratsnake x Albino Everglades Ratsnake = bubblegum Ratsnake
Emorys Ratsnake x Corn snake = Creamsicle Corn
Pantherophis guttatus X Obsoleta spiloides = Creamsicle Corn (Frosted)

 

[Nanci]

:eek1:And where do I get one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're going to be sorry you asked!!!

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/photogallery.html

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/bds6707.htm

I think I'm having chest pain...

Nanci

 

[SnakeAround]

Emorys Ratsnake x Corn snake = Creamsicle Corn
Pantherophis guttatus X Obsoleta spiloides = Creamsicle Corn (Frosted)

?????

For creamsicle the amel gene must be homozygious, otherwise it is a rootbeer and I never heared of the gut x obs cross being called creamsicle....

I'm gonna breed holbrooki x albino striped cali king and holbrooki x (campbelli x corn) next year

 

[hartsock]

You're going to be sorry you asked!!!

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/photogallery.html

http://www.mesozoicreptiles.com/bds6707.htm

I think I'm having chest pain...

Nanci

uhhhh, yeah, those chest pains are hurting pretty bad...

I had clicked on the link and got up to go to the bathroom before it loaded...

AS I walked back into the room, I thought I was going to have to turn around and go back to the bathroom again!! LOL!

Wow! I am not a big fan of the milks...I have a plueban, but just the one, however my daughter who was deathly afraid of snakes connect with it and she loves milksnakes. I have shown her the tangerines and albinos and other morphs, but when she sees the hybrids she is going to drop over!! See (not being smart) this is why I asked why...I had no clue these things existed, even with all my corns and other colubrids, I have been emersed in the boid culture too long, lol!

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Great post Nanci, I didn't know so many different combos already out there. I have kind of been wondering if there has been a combination done with corns and durango mountain kings. I'm so evil! But I do have a pair of greeri which the female is a bit underweight and might not breed next year, was rolling the idea in the back of my head of putting the male with one of my corns. But that would be Evil! Hybrids! Still, I can't help but wonder what they would look like. It is hard to keep on hating hybrids when people keep posting pictures of such unusual ones....