Calls to boycott Arizona are spreading like a virus

[jpccusa]

In every other country you are jailed, shot, or immediately deported EXCEPT ours- why? Line our borders with our troops and pluck them away like the sitting ducks they should be. Illegal immigration would cease entirely, our borders would be safer, crime could be reduced, and endless amounts of money saved- no one loses. If you aren't breaking the law your safe- if you are crossing illegally your toast. It wouldn't take long for people to decide crossing illegally wasn't worth it, jobs would be returned to Americans, and our schools could focus on teaching our children instead of teaching kindergartener's how to speak English

You are generalizing illegal immigration with illegal border crossing. Illegal immigration has lots to do with visa overstaying as well.

Don't forget there are underground tunnels used for illegally crossing. Unless we put an army inspecting the desert, and invest tons of money, border patrol would not be efficient (for sure not efficient enough for you).

The debate whether babies born here should or should not be considered American would take a life of its own, so I will leave that for a separate thread.

I already addressed the "illegals taking Americans' jobs" misconception.

I don't see how American children are negatively affected in schools by the Spanish speaking children. It is not like the school curriculum changes in order to favor the latter anyway. This statement tells me (please forgive me if I am jumping to conclusions) that you have a problem with cultures mixing, and not whether a child is here legally or not.

 

[wade]

You are generalizing illegal immigration with illegal border crossing. Illegal immigration has lots to do with visa overstaying as well.

Don't forget there are underground tunnels used for illegally crossing. Unless we put an army inspecting the desert, and invest tons of money, border patrol would not be efficient (for sure not efficient enough for you).

The debate whether babies born here should or should not be considered American would take a life of its own, so I will leave that for a separate thread.

I already addressed the "illegals taking Americans' jobs" misconception.

I don't see how American children are negatively affected in schools by the Spanish speaking children. It is not like the school curriculum changes in order to favor the latter anyway. This statement tells me (please forgive me if I am jumping to conclusions) that you have a problem with cultures mixing, and not whether a child is here legally or not.

JP you have made some statements here that are way wrong. Yes there are people who overstay their visas. They are a small minority. They should be dealt with as well, but the problem is illegal boarder crossing.

I think it is pretty hard to rationalize a Mexican women coming across the boarder in the night illegally, going to a US hospital for free medical care, having her baby and then returning home. I can’t figure out how that child became a US citizen.

The question about illegals taking American jobs may have been addressed in your mind, I haven’t seen anything that would make me think differently.

It is your last paragraph that really persuaded me to reply. I live along way from the boarder but our schools are having nightmares because of Spanish speaking children. When half or two thirds of your class can’t speak English how are you going to teach them. Do you suppose those kids are going to need extra help? Do you suppose that will take time away from the kids who can speak English? What you end up with is Mexican kids will very little education and American kids with much less education than they should have been given. Nobody wins here.

 

[Outcast]

Wade, I really wish I could rep you... Your last three posts I have read have been spot on.

 

[CrousesCorns]

I got him for ya. Will he pay me back?

 

[wade]

Thanks for the Rep, I always pay back.

I just got this in an email from a friend that lives in AZ. It is interesting.

We, in Arizona, know you're boycotting us -- but you really should come out here and see our Beautiful Sonoran Desert.

It's just gorgeous right now! We know you'd love it and maybe you can share what you saw with the rest of the country so they can love it too!

This is on an 'illegal super - highway' from Mexico to the USA (Tucson) used by human smugglers.

This area is located in a wash, approximately 1.5 miles long, just south of Tucson, Arizona. If a flood came, all this would be washed to the river and then onto the sea!

It is estimated over 5,000 discarded backpacks are in this wash. Countless water containers, food wrappers, clothing, feces, including thousands of soiled baby diapers. And as you can see in this picture, fresh footprints leading right into it.

As we kept walking down the wash, we thought for sure it was going to end, but around every corner was more and more trash!

And of course the trail leading out of the wash in our city, heads directly NORTH to Tucson, then leads to your town tomorrow.

They've already come through here. Isn't Arizona just beautiful, America?

Why would you boycott us???

Our desert has basically been turned into a landfill.

The trash left behind by people illegally crossing our border is another Environmental Disaster to hit the USA.
If these actions had been done in one of our Northwest Forests or Seashore National Parks areas, there would be an uprising of the American people.....but this is the Arizona-Mexican border.
You won't see these pictures on CNN, ABC, NBC or the Arizona Republic Repugnant newspaper. Nor will they mention the disease that comes from the uncovered human waste left in our desert.

However, with respect to CNN, ABC & NBC, they do offer us "Special Reports" on cheating celebrity spouses....
This information needs to be seen by the rest of the country.
"It's not about Right vs Left, Liberal vs. Conservative, Republican vs. Democrat . It's about supporting the US Constitution"

 

[CrousesCorns]

Things like that can be seen on National Cable/Satellite TV courtesy of National Geographic Channel and their show "Border Wars".

 

[jpccusa]

JP you have made some statements here that are way wrong. Yes there are people who overstay their visas. They are a small minority. They should be dealt with as well, but the problem is illegal boarder crossing.

Small minority? Do you mind proving your statement with factual evidence? Last time I checked, visa overstay was responsible for almost half of the problem, something I don't consider to be "a small minority."

The question about illegals taking American jobs may have been addressed in your mind, I haven’t seen anything that would make me think differently.

I was not addressing the issue to change minds, although that is always what I hope for. Too bad you haven't found enough factual evidence on my posts to make you think otherwise. Like I told Dinah (I forgot her real name), macroeconomics is more complicated than what I am able to explain here. Unemployment has something to do with a recessionary gap between the long run aggregate supply and the macroeconomic equilibrium between the short run aggregate supply and the aggregate demand, and not illegal immigration. Economic growth will come, and Americans will get employed again, with illegals here or not.

It is your last paragraph that really persuaded me to reply. I live along way from the boarder but our schools are having nightmares because of Spanish speaking children. When half or two thirds of your class can’t speak English how are you going to teach them. Do you suppose those kids are going to need extra help? Do you suppose that will take time away from the kids who can speak English? What you end up with is Mexican kids will very little education and American kids with much less education than they should have been given. Nobody wins here.

And the solution is.. ?

 

[starsevol]

Why not try a "3 strikes you're out" solution?

First time caught crossing the border = deportation.

Second time = deportation plus $10,000 to cover deportation costs.

Third time = Shoot to kill.

I bet that would end the problem really fast....

 

[jpccusa]

The e-mail is from 2007, although it doesn't change the fact that yes, there is a lot of trash in the desert because of illegal immigrants trying to cross the border.

 

[Outcast]

Dumb rep thing... I cant rep you either Starsevol....

 

[jpccusa]

Why not try a "3 strikes you're out" solution?

First time caught crossing the border = deportation.

Second time = deportation plus $10,000 to cover deportation costs.

Third time = Shoot to kill.

I bet that would end the problem really fast....

LOL, that's funny, although unrealistic. We simply can't kill people, can we?

But I was asking Wade for a solution to the children speaking Spanish problem, although I do appreciate your solution to the illegal immigration problem Bethany.

 

[jpccusa]

Dumb rep thing... I cant rep you either Starsevol....

What about addressing post #454?

 

[starsevol]

LOL, that's funny, although unrealistic. We simply can't kill people, can we?

But I was asking Wade for a solution to the children speaking Spanish problem, although I do appreciate your solution to the illegal immigration problem Bethany.

If other countries can get away with imprisoning and/or killing people without papers, and these illegals knew that they had 2 chances before we get ugly, of course we can kill people!! I predict that we would have to kill less than 100 before they got the message.....

(JP, remember early on in this thread, how I said you wouldn't like my solution? Well there it is!)

 

[jpccusa]

If other countries can get away with imprisoning and/or killing people without papers, and these illegals knew that they had 2 chances before we get ugly, of course we can kill people!! I predict that we would have to kill less than 100 before they got the message.....

(JP, remember early on in this thread, how I said you wouldn't like my solution? Well there it is!)

Bethany, technically it can be done, but we need a lot of cover up!

And I do like your solution, even though I take it as being humorous. I still like you! :nyah:

 

[Outcast]

What about addressing post #454?

Wade did that in post # 455. so I did not feel that it was nessessary for me to say anything more, but if you would like me to.

1st comment on #454, now you have a little more knowledge about the Civil War. Many northern states teach that the civil war was all about slavery, many southern states teach it was about States Rights. Those southern states that had freed their slaves before the war started still fought on the side of the south. Due to the States Rights issue.

2nd comment on #454, well I can't really put it any better than Wade did. So I will leave it at that.

 

[CrousesCorns]

Bethany, technically it can be done, but we need a lot of cover up!

:madeuce: Shoot'em in that wash place and cover'em with all that trash they left in AZ!!! :devil01:

Sorry I had to with the last few posts. :sidestep:

 

[starsevol]

But you see, the beauty of this is NOT covering it up!
By announcing it to the world, and following through when no one listens, then other countries would know that we mean what we say.

There are solutions to EVERY problem.
Some solutions are ugly and draconian, and you would need a leader who would put this country first and foremost and do WHATEVER IT TAKES to solve the problems, and therein lies the problem right there.

 

[Outcast]

But you see, the beauty of this is NOT covering it up!
By announcing it to the world, and following through when no one listens, then other countries would know that we mean what we say.

There are solutions to EVERY problem.
Some solutions are ugly and draconian, and you would need a leader who would put this country first and foremost and do WHATEVER IT TAKES to solve the problems, and therein lies the problem right there.

Yep, Our current president only worries about keeping everyone who is not a US citizen happy, all the while taking our freedoms and turning them into that wash in the Sanoran Desert..

 

[danielle]

Beth and Wade I agree. JP in Maryland far from the southern border we have an enormous problem with illegal immigration, job loss, and the strains this puts on education. Programs like ESOL cost our county millions a year alone to teach children to speak English so they can navigate our educational system. Interpreters also cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, printing news letters in two languages, resource classes that should be for disabled children like my son instead are used to teach non English speaking children and also cost well over a million a year in Montgomery County alone where I live, programs like head start have gone from being low income prekindergarten to Spanish speaking only classrooms, and so on. These wastes of resources which by the way are limited take away from our children and have caused shortages of interpreters, ESOL and resource teachers due to budget cuts because of the sheer number of illegals in need. If you don't consider this a problem I'm pretty much at a loss. Public school educational systems have struggled for adequate funding since their start and adding programs for non English speaking kids only further reduces what is left to give not to mention overcrowds already crowded schools. I guess you have forgotten I am a 2nd generation American so I'm not sure where your comment about me having problems with cultures mixing comes from- I have a problem with people who come here illegally, don't pay taxes (though you swear the majority do which is a load of bull), refuse to learn the language, get free health care, education, housing, and other benefits, and then act like they are entitled to stay illegally. Thats my problem! My family got sponsors, paid their fees, filed their paperwork, WAITED PATIENTLY, and came here legally- completely different and having nothing to do with the mixing of cultures. FYI this is America a melting pot of cultures I'd be in the wrong country if that were my problem

As for your argument that illegals do not take away jobs from our country are you serious? Lets talk macroeconomics then. You think our unemployment rate coincides with the overall supply of jobs right now and I actually agree there. We are in a recession, businesses cut back on jobs to save their bottom lines as people spend less in the economy, and as a result there are fewer jobs to go around- not complicated to me. However, when any country has 19 million extra people legal or not jobs must be spread around to a greater number of people to keep unemployment rates stable, but when jobs are decreased and the number of people demanding a job does not unemployment rises. So if we had 19 million fewer people we would have several million extra jobs available meaning no illegal immigrants=more job availability- also not complicated.

I will agree we have a number of illegals here who have overstayed their visas, but their still illegal. We also have people rafting in from the south, tunneling, walking, running.....to come illegally. If we crack down on our borders eliminating those who try to cross illegally we cut down on our illegal immigration problem and if we crack down on businesses that hire illegals we force many to go back home also cutting down on our illegal immigration problem. This is how EVERY other country deals with immigration why can't we? In Canada their workforce departments are tied into their immigration departments making it almost impossible to work as an illegal immigrant and check out how many fewer illegals they have then us. No system will ever be perfect and illegal immigration will never be entirely eradicated, but we could do a lot better than we are now.

JP Do you see any negative side effects of illegal immigration on our economy and country at all?

 

[jpccusa]

1st comment on #454, now you have a little more knowledge about the Civil War. Many northern states teach that the civil war was all about slavery, many southern states teach it was about States Rights. Those southern states that had freed their slaves before the war started still fought on the side of the south. Due to the States Rights issue.

Thank you... And a quick search result.

In the years before the Civil War the political power in the Federal government, centered in Washington, D.C., was changing. Northern and mid-western states were becoming more and more powerful as the populations increased. Southern states lost political power because the population did not increase as rapidly. As one portion of the nation grew larger than another, people began to talk of the nation as sections. This was called sectionalism. Just as the original thirteen colonies fought for their independence almost 100 years earlier, the Southern states felt a growing need for freedom from the central Federal authority in Washington. Southerners believed that state laws carried more weight than Federal laws, and they should abide by the state regulations first. This issue was called State's Rights and became a very warm topic in congress.

Another quarrel between the North and South and perhaps the most emotional one, was over the issue of slavery.

So I guess we are both right. Slavery and sectionalism are considered to cause the Civil War.