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Calls to boycott Arizona are spreading like a virus

"...But the rate of violent crime at the border, and indeed across Arizona, has been declining, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, as has illegal immigration, according to the Border Patrol..."

They make it sound as though illegal immigration AND violent crimes both declined. It may be coincidence, or maybe violent crime DOES ebb and flow with the numbers of illegal immigrants? They didn't make it clear, but it seems like that statement would reinforce the goal of stemming the flow of illegals, hoping that would also stem the rise of violent crime.
 
This kind of goes along that same line of thought. This is a clipping from a newspaper in Victoria, Texas. It is kind of hard to read but I think you can get it.
 

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wade said:
JP you need a good hobby. Have you ever looked at vegetable gardening?
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You clearly don't know me. I have more hobbies than I can keep up with. Posting on CS is just one of them, but unlike many who are here everyday, I am just able to post once I have a break from my other hobbies and duties.
And no, I don't have a garden in my OC condo. My tiny deck is too hot to grow vegetables, so instead of a vegetable garden I chose to do vermicomposting. Take a look at this old thread I started: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75547

tsst said:
Personally I could give a rat's behind what the statistics say. In my opinion if ONE American dies or is raped or is robbed or etc at the hands of an illegal immigrant then MORE needs done to stop illegal immigrants. Period.
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Really?!?!? You'd rather ignore facts rather than curbing your attitude towards illegal immigration? That's why debates are so fascinating to me. I am often amused/in disbelief by the "opposition's" way of thinking.
And just to clarify, in my opinion if ONE American dies or is raped or is robbed or etc at the hands of another person then MORE needs done to stop crime. Period (that statement is a little more inclusive).

Dinah said:
I thought we already went over how crime is bad and that there is no such thing as good crimes and bad crimes or ok crimes and not ok crimes. People who don't want to be called and treated like criminals shouldn't do things that are against the law. They could be saints for all I care they are still here illegally which is a crime so they are still criminals.
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Perhaps the author of the article didn't have time to read this entire thread. :shrugs:

(Joking Dinah... :cheers:)

wade said:
This kind of goes along that same line of thought. This is a clipping from a newspaper in Victoria, Texas. It is kind of hard to read but I think you can get it.
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Wade, do you consider collecting newspaper clippings with anecdotal text to be a good hobby?
 
My state is a frickin disgrace (see story below), I wish it wasnt such a huge up-taking to move myself and all of my extended family. I will never vote for any person who has had any inkling of involvement with boycotting Arizona.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/24/california-lawmakers-push-nation-state-boycott-arizona/

Dozens of California lawmakers are pushing to make their state the first in the nation to impose an across-the-board boycott on Arizona over its immigration law -- though the state's largest city just voted to selectively scale back its boycott after local lawmakers realized it could backfire.

The Democratic state lawmakers on Wednesday unveiled a resolution that would impose several restrictions against Arizona. The measure calls for California to issue a travel advisory on visits to its eastern neighbor, halt state investment there and urge Major League Baseball to reconsider letting the state host the 2011 All-Star Game.

Though dozens of cities and organizations have voiced their opposition to Arizona's law by instituting bans on employee travel, canceling conventions in the state and threatening to pull contracts, California would be the first state to do so.

Sen. Gil Cedillo, a Democrat from Los Angeles who introduced the proposal, said the Arizona law "undermines fundamental civil rights and civil liberties."

He said it poses a "special threat to people of color" who live and travel through Arizona.

Though Arizona officials argue that the boycotts do little to change policy and only hurt businesses and workers in the state, proponents of the policies say they passed them out of concern over racial profiling.

However, the Los Angeles City Council -- one of the cities leading the charge against Arizona -- just backed off part of its boycott because it didn't want to cut ties with an Arizona-based company that operates enforcement cameras at Los Angeles intersections and generated $6 million for the city last year.

The metropolis had previously banned most city travel to Arizona, as well as future contracts with Arizona companies. That kind of policy has since been replicated by other city governments.

But council members decided to make an exception on Wednesday, voting to extend a lucrative contract with red-light camera operator American Traffic Solutions, based in Scottsdale.

"The boycott never intended to impede public safety," Los Angeles Councilman Richard Alarcon said during a meeting Wednesday.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
I think if Arizona wanted to start a campaign to Boycott the Boycotters, I would be on board. If it gets bad enough may the Californians will grow a pair and start voting a different way.


I know, I know, Hi Chris.
 
jpccusa said:
... Really?!?!? You'd rather ignore facts rather than curbing your attitude towards illegal immigration? That's why debates are so fascinating to me. I am often amused/in disbelief by the "opposition's" way of thinking.
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Statistics unfortunately are NOT facts. They may use factual data in attempting to make a point. In case you missed it the intent of my post was not about thumbing my nose at stats but the FACT that some illegal immigrants commit crimes against legal residents. And the FACT that if they were not enabled or enticed to ILLEGALLY come here in the first place their crime against a legal resident would not have happened. Our fed government should be more concerned about such things rather than catering to ILLEGAL immigrants. And NO I won't curb my attitude towards illegal immigration because well, it's ILLEGAL.

jpccusa said:
...And just to clarify, in my opinion if ONE American dies or is raped or is robbed or etc at the hands of another person then MORE needs done to stop crime. Period (that statement is a little more inclusive).
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Just to clarify I agree, but then US crime is not the topic at hand in this thread ILLEGAL immigration is. :shrugs:
 
wade said:
I think if Arizona wanted to start a campaign to Boycott the Boycotters, I would be on board. If it gets bad enough may the Californians will grow a pair and start voting a different way.


I know, I know, Hi Chris.
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It's heating up in Cali. They're going to need more power soon, and who usually provides it for them? The state they're boycotting. Personally I think this law has some Orwell-esque undertones, no matter how much "anti-profiling" words they put into it, but you don't boycott an entire state. The entire state didn't decide this and the entire state doesn't agree with it, so way to go punishing everyone.
 
wade said:
I think if Arizona wanted to start a campaign to Boycott the Boycotters, I would be on board.
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You should be careful with a fiery confrontational, boycotting attitude like that you are starting to sound like me :eek:! Clearly I am a bad influence :dgrin: :roflmao:
 
Lexie and Nellie, you are both the greatest. You know what really is making me mad about all of this is so far nothing has happened. The law doesn't go into effect for a month. All of the debate we have engaged in has been about what we think might happen. MIGHT HAPPEN. The law basically mirrors the federal law that has always been in effect. The significant change is now people are afraid that it might actually be enforced. Imagine that.

The constitution says that the federal government is supposed to regulate commerce. The interpretation I have heard of that phrase is that the fed is supposed to help the states work together so that interstate commerce can function smoothly. With that said, it should be up to the feds to tell California to sit down and shut up. (I know, Hi Chris) Really, I don't think it is any states place to be telling other states what to do in that state. The people of Arizona considered this law to be for their best interest. The people of Arizona voted on it (71% in favor if memory serves). The people of Arizona did not ask for Californians to vote on it because it is none of their damn business. California can pass their own laws. Arizona's laws do not effect California. It is not different than you telling me how to behave in my home. It is none of your business.

JP, All of the crap you have been posting since you started this thread is internet rumor mongering and nonsense. It is all about the chicken and the sky is falling (or was it a duck). Right from the very start I have said lets wait for the AZ police to stub their toe before we cry rape. Lets give them a chance to commit a crime before we convict them.

Is it racial profiling? Maybe. The police will be targeting illegal aliens. There is nothing racial in that statement. In Florida they look for Cubans. In Arizona they look for Mexicans. That is not racial, that is sensible. You can scream foul all you want but I will bet you if they find an Egyptian in AZ without the proper papers they will deport him/her as well, as they should.
 
Teddy Roosevelt; said:
It's heating up in Cali. They're going to need more power soon, and who usually provides it for them? The state they're boycotting. Personally I think this law has some Orwell-esque undertones, no matter how much "anti-profiling" words they put into it, but you don't boycott an entire state. The entire state didn't decide this and the entire state doesn't agree with it, so way to go punishing everyone.
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Unfortunately the leaders of your state (legislative and governor) represent the entire state.
How else could CA demonstrate its disapproval for a law that has a potential to be unconstitutional and that may lead to profiling?
By the way, talking about growing a pair, how bold of CA cities to stand up against another state, huh? ;)
Unfortunately, like many people belonging to the minority, you are unjustly feeling the consequences of a law you don't agree with. I can sympathize with you.
 
wade said:
The constitution says that the federal government is supposed to regulate commerce. The interpretation I have heard of that phrase is that the fed is supposed to help the states work together so that interstate commerce can function smoothly. With that said, it should be up to the feds to tell California to sit down and shut up. (I know, Hi Chris) Really, I don't think it is any states place to be telling other states what to do in that state. The people of Arizona considered this law to be for their best interest. The people of Arizona voted on it (71% in favor if memory serves). The people of Arizona did not ask for Californians to vote on it because it is none of their damn business. California can pass their own laws. Arizona's laws do not effect California. It is not different than you telling me how to behave in my home. It is none of your business.
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You must spread some rep around before.....

so true
 
They can express their disapproval any way they like. Did you see the poll in LA that said that 97% of the people said that the city council should mind their own business. Did you see that San Diego has backed down and decided to business with just some AZ companies.

Do you think the state of CA is concerned about the fact that the Utah liquor laws and unfair and unjust and discriminate against Non-Mormons. Why aren't they boycotting the state of Utah. When Utah (and the Mormons) made the campaign against Same Sex Marriage in CA, did Utah boycott CA? Maybe they should have. No body has ever like the stupid stuff that CA does every day. People in Glass Houses..........Just saying.
 
wade; said:
Lexie and Nellie, you are both the greatest. You know what really is making me mad about all of this is so far nothing has happened. The law doesn't go into effect for a month. All of the debate we have engaged in has been about what we think might happen. MIGHT HAPPEN. The law basically mirrors the federal law that has always been in effect. The significant change is now people are afraid that it might actually be enforced. Imagine that.

The constitution says that the federal government is supposed to regulate commerce. The interpretation I have heard of that phrase is that the fed is supposed to help the states work together so that interstate commerce can function smoothly. With that said, it should be up to the feds to tell California to sit down and shut up. (I know, Hi Chris) Really, I don't think it is any states place to be telling other states what to do in that state. The people of Arizona considered this law to be for their best interest. The people of Arizona voted on it (71% in favor if memory serves). The people of Arizona did not ask for Californians to vote on it because it is none of their damn business. California can pass their own laws. Arizona's laws do not effect California. It is not different than you telling me how to behave in my home. It is none of your business.

JP, All of the crap you have been posting since you started this thread is internet rumor mongering and nonsense. It is all about the chicken and the sky is falling (or was it a duck). Right from the very start I have said lets wait for the AZ police to stub their toe before we cry rape. Lets give them a chance to commit a crime before we convict them.

Is it racial profiling? Maybe. The police will be targeting illegal aliens. There is nothing racial in that statement. In Florida they look for Cubans. In Arizona they look for Mexicans. That is not racial, that is sensible. You can scream foul all you want but I will bet you if they find an Egyptian in AZ without the proper papers they will deport him/her as well, as they should.
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Wade, I'm sorry you feel my posts are crap. Perhaps you should stop antagonizing the thread and come back once the law goes into effect? :shrugs:
So far I have dodged your antagonism and replied in a civilized way. I won't change the way I treat you and everyone else here simply because I don't agree with your point of view. That is just silly.
With all due respect, all you do is flap your gums (fingers) without any kind of material that adds facts to the debate. If you don't have that, fine, just don't call the newspaper articles and government reports I presented "internet rumor mongering and nonsense." Biased articles, maybe, but many of the reports are the official numbers used by OUR government, rather you like the numbers or not.
 
And by the way, CA is not telling AZ what to do. It is simply avoiding to do business at a state with which it doesn't agree with its laws.
It is like me not wanting to visit you because I don't agree with the way you live. It is not like me telling you how to live.
 
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