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captaincaveman

captaincaveman

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Could be a really silly question, and maybe ive missed something obvious but....

Is it possible to breed a leucistic corn snake or will the genetics not allow it?
 
"Leucistic" is a specific gene.

To my knowledge, this gene has NOT yet been found in Pantherophis guttattus though it exists in other Pantherophis-genus snakes (most notably Texas rat snakes).

You could theoretically use a Leucistic Texas Rat, breed it to a corn, breed the offspring together to get leucistic animals that are part corn, breed them to corns, breed back the babies to get leucistic animals that are slightly more corn... but they will still be Texas Rat hybrids... and there's a chance that the stroppy temperament that some Texas Rats show will carry through just as much as the pretty blue-eyed-white colour does.

Heck, I've got a female Leucistic Texas rat, a spare male corn... but they aren't going to be breeding, because I just don't think there's a market for a breed of potentially-stroppy and potentially-bug-eyed "North American Rat Snakes" over here... by which I mean "Pantherophis soup".
 
oh ok thanks. How did it come about in texas rats? was it just a natural mutation? I was going to get a texas rat purely for a leucistic but decided to get more corns instead lol.

My plan is to eventually breed some blizzards(close enough :) ) when i eventually get an anery b to the collection

Thanks again :)
 
At one time someone was offering leucistic black rat snakes that came from a line known as the "Rusty Rats". I believe Larry Rouch was involved with them, but you may want to investigate the validity of the claim of "pureness" yourself.

At this time, I suspect any snake being offered as a *true* PURE leucistic corn snake might be looked at with just a bit of skepticism..... :rolleyes:
 
captaincaveman said:
oh ok thanks. How did it come about in texas rats? was it just a natural mutation? I was going to get a texas rat purely for a leucistic but decided to get more corns instead lol.
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Someone found a wild leucistic - a chance mutation that cropped up - and kept it and bred it. That's actually how MOST mutations come about, in corns and all.

If you want a leucistic animal in your collection, get a Leucy Texas rat - we've got one who's pretty nice-tempered and isn't bug-eyed, so it CAN be done. If you want to breed leucistic-looking corn snakes then yes, Blizzards are probably your best bet... and look a lot more like a traditional mammalian 'albino' than a Snow.

Now, I wouldn't criticise someone who wanted to breed Leucistic corn-looking North American Rat Snakes as long as they did point out that the reason that Leucism is in the line is because it came from a Texas Rat.
 
thanks guys. I'll probably go down the blizzard route with this one(well for now). i have other rats on my list, especially blonde phase trans pecos which have disappeared off the map recently in the uk :shrugs:
 
Well, I think a different path would need to be taken. If you go the Blizzard route, one of the most distinguishing features of the leucistic will be unattainable that way. The blue-black or normal colored eyes. If you work with amelanistics of any form, then the best you will get is a perfect Blizzard.

If you want something that resembles a leucistic, I would try working with hypomelanistics, probably ganging the genes together and working with something that becomes pretty much patternless looking at maturity.

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All right all right, I'll bite! WHAT IS THAT RICH? :) :) Or another one of your secrets?!? lol! Lavender involved? Ultramel? MORE PICS!!!

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You know, I don't really remember what parentage that animal came out of. Haven't seen it for a year or so, and I'm curious about what it looks like now. First I have to FIND it, of course. :rolleyes: I'm wondering if it lost that faint pattern it had as a freshly hatched baby.

But that animal in the back looks like it could be several different things I have been working with lately. So that really doesn't give me much of a clue. :shrugs:
 
Ssthisto said:
If you want a leucistic animal in your collection, get a Leucy Texas rat - we've got one who's pretty nice-tempered and isn't bug-eyed, so it CAN be done. If you want to breed leucistic-looking corn snakes then yes, Blizzards are probably your best bet... and look a lot more like a traditional mammalian 'albino' than a Snow.
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Don't forget the leucistic black rats that supposedly came out of Ohio or something like that many years ago. There is probably a good chance they are TX X black rat offspring but the 'black' rat (rusty rats) that I have are awesome and the leucistics from that line are way different than the TX rats. Nice and big and really nice attitude...not to mention I haven't seen bug eyes yet...but then again I've only hatched out 6.
 
MohrSnakes said:
Don't forget the leucistic black rats that supposedly came out of Ohio or something like that many years ago. There is probably a good chance they are TX X black rat offspring but the 'black' rat (rusty rats) that I have are awesome and the leucistics from that line are way different than the TX rats. Nice and big and really nice attitude...not to mention I haven't seen bug eyes yet...but then again I've only hatched out 6.
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I don't think I've ever seen a leucistic black rat snake here in the UK, though - the Texas are much, much easier to come by (but pricey, in my experience!).

That said, a search for photos on Google... they look like gorgeous snakes too.
 
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