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Children should be seen and NOT heard?

Serpwidgets said:
It has to come from both you and their dad. They can't possibly be that way unless he lets them act like that all the time. If someone let their kids treat me that way, I can't tell you what a low opinion I'd have of them. But obviously that's your choice to make. :shrugs:
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i hate them and i hate him for letting them be like that, but he doesnt know any better, he did spend years with their junkie mother that abandoned them for some pedophile in holland...

I dont have a low opinion of my partner, the complete opposite, but what i do have is a very low tollerance for his kids and the way they treat me.
 
Serpwidgets said:
I'd never let a kid treat me that way. If they tried anything, I'd be all like, :realhot: "Ay! Why don't you stop dressing me up like a mailman, a-a-aand making me dance for you, smoking crack in my bedroom, and doing it on my dad's bed, with some guy I don't even know!"
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FLMAO! :grin01: :grin01:
 
Serpwidgets said:
I'd never let a kid treat me that way. If they tried anything, I'd be all like, :realhot: "Ay! Why don't you stop dressing me up like a mailman, a-a-aand making me dance for you, smoking crack in my bedroom, and doing it on my dad's bed, with some guy I don't even know!"
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Ok first off Id like to say that this make me laugh REALLY HARD Serp.

Now back to the topic.

I guess I should have been more specific. I have two kids that are fairly well behaved and respect their elders. The problems I am reffering to are the inconsiderate, disrespectful little trolls that are allwed to run around in the general public and the internet forums without ANY supervision and having NO respect for anyone outside the room they are in at home hiding behind their parents that have no idea what they are up to.

I do not believe that all children are evil and that they should be silent at all times. There is a post in this thread that just speaks volumes about this and I think you all know which one it is. Just another point to my case.

Now I need something witty to say in ending this post.


Oh well I guess Im all out of witty for today. :cheers:

Josh
 
Joker said:
The problems I am reffering to are the inconsiderate, disrespectful little trolls that are allwed to run around in the general public and the internet forums without ANY supervision and having NO respect for anyone outside the room they are in at home hiding behind their parents that have no idea what they are up to.
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That's exactly what I mean.. I can count only a hand full of kids in the last month that have said excuse me' to me when they need something.

There's something very wrong with that...



hana
 
I must say, I'm glad I read this thread to the end before responding as I was a wee bit offended. Kids should be not seen and not heard? What kind of future is that? Our children are our future... Do you really want a future of adults that have grown up with the "not seen/not heard" mentality?

I have 2 children. Both girls, ages 9 and 5. They are my pride and joys. Yep, I get ticked off with them, they drive me nuts at times. But they know what the word RESPECT means, and treat people with it. Children are a product of their environment... That can change though, by even one person giving them a chance. I grew up being sexually abused by a relative, had an alcoholic stepfather and a crack dealer for a real father. Hmmm, what does that make me? It did make me a very angry youngster, and someone gave me more than one chance. I changed, thank goodness. My children will learn from my mistakes through what I teach them.

"I guess I should have been more specific. I have two kids that are fairly well behaved and respect their elders. The problems I am reffering to are the inconsiderate, disrespectful little trolls that are allwed to run around in the general public and the internet forums without ANY supervision and having NO respect for anyone outside the room they are in at home hiding behind their parents that have no idea what they are up to."

Yep I have to agree with that, but I've found these are usually teens with nothing better to do. Yep, its annoying, ignore it. You can usually tell what they're up to the moment they open their mouth or in this case, start typing :rolleyes: What can ya do.... they're around, they are annoying, but probally always will be.

My post probally doesn't make sense much, that's what I get for working midnights then no sleep. Maybe I should just quit while I'm ahead :sidestep:
 
Taceas said:
I despise children with no manners. I had manners growing up, but somewhere along the way I think parents these days forgot how to teach them. Might have to do with the fact that you're not supposed to punish your children anymore, but only give them "time-outs". I never had a time-out in all my days, when I did something wrong, my arse literally felt it, and most times it involved an object in hand.

It's funny how the majority of those kids I grew up with in school that were coddled by their parents are now not where you thought they'd be. :rolleyes:
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It's been a huge eye opener for me since I started student teaching for the very reasons you mentioned. I'm only 22, and most of my students are 14-16 years old. I can't believe some of the crap that these kids (it's a city school) do on a daily basis to adults in the school. On the other hand, I've met some of the parents and it shouldn't surprise me all that much that their kids are the way they are. What happened to manners and just being a decent, respectful person?
 
TrpnBils said:
It's been a huge eye opener for me since I started student teaching for the very reasons you mentioned. I'm only 22, and most of my students are 14-16 years old. I can't believe some of the crap that these kids (it's a city school) do on a daily basis to adults in the school. On the other hand, I've met some of the parents and it shouldn't surprise me all that much that their kids are the way they are. What happened to manners and just being a decent, respectful person?
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I completely and utterly understand. I'm at what's technically a rural school and my two favorite quotes from last Monday and Tuesday are "the teacher sucks" and "she's ruining my grade". Let me tell you what fun it is (nevermind they've known about the test for a week and it was seriously easy).

zwyatt said:
You mean they don't all turn their homework in on time with no complaints or excuses? When they fail an exam or quiz, they don't act like it's your fault for not teaching them? My mom is retiring from teaching this year. She's pretty much fed up with the apathy these days.
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What homework? They complain if I give them five problems with time left in class to get it done. There are some moments that make it all worth it though (like when my general math kids who aren't expected to do anything in life actually ask for a logic puzzle for something to do in study hall).

~Katie
 
I am an early childhood major, not much bothers me when I comes to children. It is just a stage....(just keep telling myself that and I will get through this... lol)
 
The one thing that does bother me concerning young people is this attitude that everyone from 15-20 is anti-social and runs round the streets in a hoodie tripping up old ladies. (Or something to that effect.) This isn't true, at all. I'm 17 and I am polite and respectful. The majority of teens are decent people. I'm not saying anyone here thinks this, but there does seem to be a stereotype which is unfair to those of us who are polite and decently raised.
 
i really think more kids need leashes in public. I do not mind kids asking question because if they did not they would not know as much. I just hate it at the super market when you have a 6 year old running around screaming. I guess a choke chain would be good for the leash too! :grin01:
 
O and with the school today. About half to .25 of the kids do not hand in their homeowrk everytime it is do. Why? The Teachers does nothing if they do not. O and saying the teachers sucks is not that bad. In the middle of class my teachers asked a kid named Tom a questioin and he was like " um... i dont know because i was not listening because you have a boring class" to her face and she was like " well i guess you just wont do to good with your grades then " and he was like " Well you Mrs. Brown are an A-Hole". and he really said it too her face and all she said was too not go there.
 
cornsnakekid92 said:
O and with the school today. About half to .25 of the kids do not hand in their homeowrk everytime it is do. Why? The Teachers does nothing if they do not. O and saying the teachers sucks is not that bad. In the middle of class my teachers asked a kid named Tom a questioin and he was like " um... i dont know because i was not listening because you have a boring class" to her face and she was like " well i guess you just wont do to good with your grades then " and he was like " Well you Mrs. Brown are an A-Hole". and he really said it too her face and all she said was too not go there.
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What else was she going to do?:shrugs: Teachers aren't allowed to punish students anymore. 50 years ago, he would have been whipped with a board for saying that, or at least gotten some kind of punishment.
 
The worst that would happen is it's reported and the student is written up for it and they get a detention. For some students they don't care so it's worth it.

~Katie
 
Ya, the good old days of corporeal punishment... I still remember the teacher with a huge emerald ring on her finger, if you were disrespectful she would clock you on the head with it. Not many kids acted up in her class.
I feel for you guys that have to teach because these days it seems your hands are really tied, you guys have IMO one of the hardest and most underappreciated, underpaid jobs out there.
 
do you guys not remember what it was like to be a kid in high school? man i had lots of teachers i hated...don't you remember that adults were the enemy? it's part of growing up and i don't know anyone of my friends that weren't in some way wanting to be rebellious or had problems with people telling them how they're supposed to act and what they're supposed to do. i dunno it's part of being young that i really enjoy. this topic is reminding me of that book the little prince...here's a link to it and it's snake related!

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter1.html
 
scottrussell said:
do you guys not remember what it was like to be a kid in high school? man i had lots of teachers i hated...don't you remember that adults were the enemy? it's part of growing up and i don't know anyone of my friends that weren't in some way wanting to be rebellious or had problems with people telling them how they're supposed to act and what they're supposed to do. i dunno it's part of being young that i really enjoy.
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This is exactly the mentality that is the problem today. Young people act like being disrespectful is completely acceptable and something they're entitled to do just because "It's what young people do". That's bull. What's worse is that parent's don't do anything about it. Most of them don't even know what their kids are up to most of the time.
Did I make a few faces behind teachers backs or make comments to my friends? Sure. But I would never even dream of cursing at one of my teachers or anything of that sort. Yes, I would get a detention for it, but I also know that I'd have a broken jaw when my parents found out. There was no room for conduct like that in my parent's household, and there won't be in my household either.
Teachers don't get enough respect as it is. We don't need to let snotty junior and senior high school students show them disrespect. When you hear the way some parents have talked to my mom (teacher of 30 or so years) it's no surprise why their kids are little wretches.
 
scottrussell said:
do you guys not remember what it was like to be a kid in high school? man i had lots of teachers i hated...don't you remember that adults were the enemy? it's part of growing up and i don't know anyone of my friends that weren't in some way wanting to be rebellious or had problems with people telling them how they're supposed to act and what they're supposed to do. i dunno it's part of being young that i really enjoy. this topic is reminding me of that book the little prince...here's a link to it and it's snake related!

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter1.html
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As Zach said...

I remember it. I remember that we didn't call teachers a name to their faces, because not only would you get in trouble at school, you'd get in even MORE trouble at home.

I'd bet that almost all of the parents of those kids who act like that would be mad at the TEACHER for "getting their kid in trouble" just like a bunch of parents who were mad at a school for busting their 17-18 years olds for coming to the prom drunk. Like this is the school's fault.

But that's ok, someone has to dig ditches and flip burgers and do all the other menial crap jobs that the rest of us don't want to do, and it will be those brats, and the ones who never had to try at anything or become a useful human being because they were told they had "ADD."
 
Serpwidgets said:
I remember it. I remember that we didn't call teachers a name to their faces, because not only would you get in trouble at school, you'd get in even MORE trouble at home.

I'd bet that almost all of the parents of those kids who act like that would be mad at the TEACHER for "getting their kid in trouble" just like a bunch of parents who were mad at a school for busting their 17-18 years olds for coming to the prom drunk. Like this is the school's fault.

But that's ok, someone has to dig ditches and flip burgers and do all the other menial crap jobs that the rest of us don't want to do, and it will be those brats, and the ones who never had to try at anything or become a useful human being because they were told they had "ADD."
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Or, the parents just say, "My kid would never do that!" Then they get mad that you might suggest that their little 'angle' is anything but perfect. :rolleyes:


But if I as a child had called anyone in authority a lousy name or given them anything but the respect they deserved, it would have been very hard for me to sit down for a few days.


hana
 
scottrussell said:
do you guys not remember what it was like to be a kid in high school? man i had lots of teachers i hated...don't you remember that adults were the enemy? it's part of growing up and i don't know anyone of my friends that weren't in some way wanting to be rebellious or had problems with people telling them how they're supposed to act and what they're supposed to do. i dunno it's part of being young that i really enjoy. this topic is reminding me of that book the little prince...here's a link to it and it's snake related!

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/littleprince/chapter1.html
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Teenagers will try to push their boundaries, yes, and that is something considered a normal part of growing up and finding identities and all that. But I can tell you this, if I EVER were to find out any child of mine swore at their teacher, or indeed, anyone else, detention would be the LEAST of their worries. If I take it upon myself to bring a child into this world, then I also take it upon myself to raise that child responsibly to be a person I would want to know. And I certainly wouldn't want to know some jack-off who thinks he's a big shot because he mouthed off to a teacher.

Kids these days. :rolleyes:
 
i never cussed out my teachers or did anything horrible to people but that still doesn't mean that when kids grow up they don't go through a phase where they question things, trying to figure out for themselves who they are, why they're here, and what they are supposed to do. i think what i'm talking about is slightly different from the image you guys have in your head of just being a "brat" and growing up to flip burgers. i think a lot of people here have been raised differently depending on time period and location and the way some of you guys think is just as baffeling to me as you think my way of thinking is.
 
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