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"Chocolate" corn?

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Flagg

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One of the few corn snake breeders at the local reptile show (allanimalexpo.com) was selling one labeled as a "chocolate" corn.
It was very brown, perhaps a caramel hatchling. The guy has a lot of corns but he doesn't seem to know the naming conventions very well, so he couldn't really tell me anything about the genetics of it.

Anyone have any idea what it is, or heard of a chocolate corn?

I've tried various searches but all that seems to come up is the word chocolate in a description of caramel coloring.
 
All I can think of, other than a very poor name for a caramel, is that it's a hybrid, probably something similar to a rootbeer. I'm always cautious when dealing with a "breeder", especially with alot of corns, that doesn't know the morph names or genetics of what he/she breeds.
 
Thanks, I asked him if it might be a hybrid, and he didn't know that either, but said it might be. It's wierd he seems to have most of them labeled correctly, but just doesn't really know the genetics. Like he breeds crimson corns and told me he only just discovered that they were hypo miamis. There also seems to be little knowledge of the difference between locality, selectively bred and genetic types.
 
Chocolate was first the name for a Lavender if i´m informed right and also a "waste product" by trying to breed creamsicles!
But today it´s a name for a "melanistic" emory someone caught in kansas in 1990 i think so i think it´s been an emory!
 
lajes said:
Chocolate was first the name for a Lavender if i´m informed right and also a "waste product" by trying to breed creamsicles!
But today it´s a name for a "melanistic" emory someone caught in kansas in 1990 i think so i think it´s been an emory!
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I believe lavenders were originally called "mocha".

Joejr14 said:
There are such things as chocolate emoryi......
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I KNEW I had heard the term used with something not a cornsnake, but close! Thanks Joe!
 
Aren't rootbeers the "waste products" when trying to breed creamsicles?

Lavenders were first bred by Rich Z in 1985, if memory serves.
 
Joejr14 said:
There are such things as chocolate emoryi......
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Yes, isn't this a Don S creation or at least something he works with?

This is from Don's website at South mountain reptiles.
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starsevol said:
Aren't rootbeers the "waste products" when trying to breed creamsicles?
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Well, I guess it depends on the eye of the beholder. I'm not into most creamsicles, but I love the rootbeer look... :shrugs:
 
I don't really like hybrids myself but I have 2 rootbeers, mother and daughter. I won the mother in a raffle at a herp club meeting and had her for several years before realizing that the person who bred her had a collection consisting almost entirely of creamsicles. Then I saw a pic of a rootbeer and it looked just like my Katie! The daughter, Keeper. looks like a pure corn with alot of red. She is the very first corn I ever hatched. She will be 9 years old this year.
 
tricksterpup said:
Yes, isn't this a Don S creation or at least something he works with?

This is from Don's website at South mountain reptiles.
emch22.JPG
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That looks pretty darn close to what the breeder had. Thanks! I'll inform him next show that they are NOT corn snakes.
 
I think this is kinda funny. I happen to be standing next to you when you were asking Bill about his chocolate corns. He even turned to me to ask me if i knew where they came from. what a small world. ill call him tomorrow and let him know you still have questions. stop back over next saturday and ill make sure he has more info.
 
Wierd. I don't really have more quiestions as I'm not looking for an Emory. I was just curious about that type of "corn" as I hadn't heard of them before.. I'm really looking for an Amber actually.

I'd also like to make it clear that I'm not trying to bad mouth the breeder, and I never mentioned any names myself. He actually has a nice assortment of corns at really good prices.
 
I dont think any1 thought you were bad mouthing any1. I talk to the "breeder" and know there is a stroy behind those snakes. I just wated to help clear up some of your questions. Im sorry for the confusion.
 
Flagg said:
That looks pretty darn close to what the breeder had. Thanks! I'll inform him next show that they are NOT corn snakes.
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I have a 05 "Chocolate" Corn, a pretty amazing snake and gentle too. I will have to post pictures of him. If those hatchlings look like the snake I posted interesting. Mine looks nothing like that, yet. He has more silver than brown on his body.
 
If someone sells snakes with the right morph labels but doesn't know genetics, he is probably a wholesaler just using the labels his supplier put on them. Or he is selling snakes for someone else.
 
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