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Why do that when you can just move to Arkansas where it's still in the law books that you can beat your wife once a month with a stick as long as you document the beatings and you do it at the courthouse steps? (I'm assuming by the way you typed you were cracking fun at "rednecks").
 
Drizzt80 said:
There's no reason a "tool" can't be a member of the family either.
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Right. I've been called a tool many, many times in the past.

Drizzt80 said:
There's a few children in today's society that need a good solid spanking.
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Good point. I have always wanted to see a simple bar graph where you ask people "Were you spanked as a child when you did sopmething wrong?" Not beatten, but a respectful paddling. Plot yes or no against some ranking of "success" in life in modern America. I bet those paddled correctly have learned self-control and self-value better IN GENERAL than those treated like they were perfect growing up. ...and people with self-control are generally the more successful type. I am NOT saying this is true - I'm saying I would be surprised if it is not. No statement of fact here - just an unsubstantiated hypothesis.
 
Michael823 said:
I have a Dachshund which is a hunting dog, and have trained him to ignore his hunting instincts using positive reinforcement. .
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Try to get a beagle - trained to hunt - to STOP hunting at the end of the day with only positive re-enforcement. Heck, I don't think a 220V line is enough some times....lol.
 
Michael823 said:
Not too many people know how to make their commands clear enough through positive reinforcement, that is usually why they resort to other ways of dealing with the problem.
My big issue with this whole debate, is that it's a puppy we're talking about. MinLynn, you did what you did to curb a learned behavior problem, and although I wouldn't have taken that approach, it was to stop an adult dog, with learned behavior issues (scratching, digging).
This is a puppy, with no behavior problems, and will easily take to positive reinforcement training. Instead it will be formed through fear, and intimidation tactics, as opposed to spending the extra time to properly train.
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See here again you show your ignorance. No one has said that an e-collar is the only method to train. No one has said that they do not use positive reinforcement.

If you would actually read the posts that have been made in this thread, you would realize how far down your mouth you foot is.
 
MinLynn said:
You're making it sound like I used the fencing you use to keep cattle in!
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Actually, cattle fences aren't that hot. Not really. I mean, they pop, but nothing like a POP. ...and urine WILL transport the current, but only for a few inches. That will, and I do mean WILL, teach you a lesson, though!

Ricky87 said:
So are you offering to buy 67 million e-collars for each of us who voted Obama.
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I never said a democrat could be trained. ;)


MinLynn said:
Why do that when you can just move to Arkansas where it's still in the law books that you can beat your wife once a month with a stick as long as you document the beatings and you do it at the courthouse steps? (I'm assuming by the way you typed you were cracking fun at "rednecks").
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texas used to let you beat your wife with a stick no bigger than your thumb. It is no longer on the books, and I'm too scared of Kasi to even try (assuming it were legal). :(
 
Well, Drizzt, nice use of "Rickeal". I'm sure you won't get banned like was said would happen in an earlier post, but I guess that's just the way of the site. As for not understanding dogs, that's laughable; seriously!. My dog's are perfectly behaved, and I know beyond any shadow of a doubt I know more about dogs and being a pack leader than you do. Sorry, but that's just reality!. Insulting a dog for knowing tricks just shows how knowledgeable you are, and how greatly you undervalue the bonding in a human/dog relationship. Here's a little tid-bit for you by the way; my brother's dog trainer is now becoming certified to being the highest level of dog trainer in the world, and she asked him to apprentice to become a trainer because he has all the skills. Same with me!.

Your starting off your relationship with your dog with an e-collar; in the dog world that's red-flag number one. Either way, I really don't care. Your philosophy on the inner workings of dogs is not what I would consider educated, and you'll find the flaws out in the long run, that's a fact!!.
 
KJUN said:
Actually, cattle fences aren't that hot. Not really. I mean, they pop, but nothing like a POP. ...and urine WILL transport the current, but only for a few inches. That will, and I do mean WILL, teach you a lesson, though!
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You and me both buddy.
 
That's veeery true on the hunting beagles! We had a retired hunting beagle years ago and good Lord! If he caught sight of anything he wanted he'd go after it in a flash! And there was no "No Buddy! No!" We lived in the city,too so it was even harder to control him once he got loose. He was trained by hand signals and of course we didn't know those hand signals. Poor old Buddy! I still miss him! We always knew when there was a raccoon in the trash or possum around.
 
Ricky87 said:
Well, Drizzt, nice use of "Rickeal". I'm sure you won't get banned like was said would happen in an earlier post, but I guess that's just the way of the site. As for not understanding dogs, that's laughable; seriously!. My dog's are perfectly behaved, and I know beyond any shadow of a doubt I know more about dogs and being a pack leader than you do. Sorry, but that's just reality!. Insulting a dog for knowing tricks just shows how knowledgeable you are, and how greatly you undervalue the bonding in a human/dog relationship. Here's a little tid-bit for you by the way; my brother's dog trainer is now becoming certified to being the highest level of dog trainer in the world, and she asked him to apprentice to become a trainer because he has all the skills. Same with me!.
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Did I tell you that I am the world's greatest cornsnake breeder? I know it is a fact, this guy I meet one time at a show told me so. He said I was better then you, so it must be true. LOL

Ricky87 said:
Your starting off your relationship with your dog with an e-collar; in the dog world that's red-flag number one. Either way, I really don't care. Your philosophy on the inner workings of dogs is not what I would consider educated, and you'll find the flaws out in the long run, that's a fact!!.
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Where did he, me, or anyone say they were starting a relationship with an e-collar, for crying out loud, READ THE POSTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, quit assuming you know what anyone is thinking.
 
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Ricky87 said:
I'm sure you won't get banned like was said would happen in an earlier post, but I guess that's just the way of the site.
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First, you don't make the rules of this site as much as you would like. Second, I don't think D80 followed the thread with the argument over that cutsy name was concluded. He can't be blamed for not following a rule he didn't see.

Ricky87 said:
As for not understanding dogs, that's laughable; seriously!. My dog's are perfectly behaved, and I know beyond any shadow of a doubt I know more about dogs and being a pack leader than you do. Sorry, but that's just reality!.
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So why not get a job training dogs if you are so good at it? Sounds like a good way to earn a pay check.
 
KJUN said:
You mean they breed each other, right?
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"I breed snakes
you know he means they breed each other.
Mine are the best
that's why there worth so many more dollars
Only two hundred left here
their all locality and matched"


Don't worry if you do not know where that is from, its part of "alterna culture".
 
This is like one of those discussions where
one person incubates in vermiculite,
another incubates in hatchrite
another incubates in milled sphag moss
and another incubates in potting soil
all parties acheive the same end result: Hatching eggs
What works for one person might or might not work for another
Some of you learned dog training by a book, or from a respected admired friend or family member, perhaps for others it is the customary method in your geographical location,
whatever.
Each has his/her own preferred way of training, which collectively acheive the same end result.
 
davesfiles said:
This is like one of those discussions where
one person incubates in vermiculite,
another incubates in hatchrite
another incubates in milled sphag moss
and another incubates in potting soil
all parties acheive the same end result: Hatching eggs
What works for one person might or might not work for another
Some of you learned dog training by a book, or from a respected admired friend or family member, perhaps for others it is the customary method in your geographical location,
whatever.
Each has his/her own preferred way of training, which collectively acheive the same end result.
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Thank you for using English.

What you have said is correct, except that Ricky/Michael has/have spoken in absolutes. If they merely recommended doing something one way, that would be great, but he/they have said with absoluteness that "positive reinforcement" is the only way to train, that is where they have fallen.
 
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