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Corn + Ratsnake?

Scorpios

Scorpios

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Sorry for the amateurish question but is it possible to breed a corn snake with a rat snake, and if so what are some of the common color pattern/morphs they can produce?

Thanks.
 
Well first... corns are a type of rat snake. So what OTHER variety of rat snake are you talking about? (There are quite a few...)
 
Sorry, I believe it to be an Alabama rat snake. I bought it along with an albino corn snake from someone in the military that is stationed here in Germany. - The sellers were keeping them for a friend who moved back to the US and didnt end up coming back, and just wanted to get rid of them and didn't know too much about them, but said the rat snake was wild caught from Alabama.


Since then, I have gotten another male and an adult female okatee. I am very interested to start breeding, as a hobby not for profit

I am currently searching through threads here to find some good hints on breeding, but if anyone knows of a helpful online guide or F.A.Q., etc on breeding corns snakes, that would be much appreciated.

So far I know for certain one is Okatee, the actual color morphs of the other 3 I don't the specific names for, so I will post some photos in the appropriate subforum here soon to maybe get some help on that.

I am also wondering what is the best way to go about housing them to start preparing for breeding when the time is right, the males are still quite small so it might be a while until they are mature enough, but at the moment I have 2 males in one terrarium and the 2 females in their own terrarium, and a few extra terrariums if they are needed.
 
Before anyone jumps you for this... Please put them all in their separate homes. They are a solitary snake and like to be alone, unless its time for a little breeding action.
It shouldn't be hard to find some plastic tubs to keep them in... not pretty, but they work. And they are cheap.
From what i have read, you want them to be 300 grams before breeding.

I will be looking forward to seeing your pictures.
 
Yup, what he said!!! ^^^^

Yes, snakes are solitary animals. They don't like being near other snakes, and even if you can't see a problem the snakes can still be under alot of stress and stress can cut their lives short. Please rethink your housing, ok?

Let's see, combining an alabama rat...not sure what kind of rat is is..but if it is not a corn snake you will end up with a hybrid. Not a pure species. Alot of people really don't like hybrids, and with the economy the way it is, it might be better to breed animals you have a better chance of finding homes for.

If I were you, since you are a bit new to all of this..maybe take this year and do some research on here about breeding and such...read all you can. Then go for it next year. Maybe even the economy will be better by then!
 
No problem, I have quite a few Terrariums here to separate them, though they never showed any problems or stress how they are now and are housed terrariums well over the required size. - Both terrariums I use now have multiple hiding spots for them and 90% of the time I end up finding them sharing the same area.

As I have one in a feeding container now eating and the other 3 are next, I guess it's a convenient time to set up 2 more terrariums for them.

The 300 grams, does that apply for both males and females?
 
Starsevol, yeah I am re-arranging their housing now so they all will have separate terrariums by tomorrow.

I wont be breeding them anytime soon as the males still are quite small, so that's exactly what I am trying to do now is research it all for when it's time. Thanks for the info.
 
Scorpios said:
No problem, I have quite a few Terrariums here to separate them, though they never showed any problems or stress how they are now and are housed terrariums well over the required size. - Both terrariums I use now have multiple hiding spots for them and 90% of the time I end up finding them sharing the same area.

As I have one in a feeding container now eating and the other 3 are next, I guess it's a convenient time to set up 2 more terrariums for them.

The 300 grams, does that apply for both males and females?
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To answer your question, 300 grams for the female. The male can be younger and smaller. I have heard of some males 18 months, 150 grams getting the job done.

And...if you see them sharing the same area, that is not always a good thing. They are competing for resources...it does not mean they like each other or are not stressed...
 
Scorpios said:
Starsevol, yeah I am re-arranging their housing now so they all will have separate terrariums by tomorrow.

I wont be breeding them anytime soon as the males still are quite small, so that's exactly what I am trying to do now is research it all for when it's time. Thanks for the info.
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You are wicked welcome :)
Welcome to a most addictive hobby :)
 
Would love to see pics if you get the chance. There is an Alabama version of the corn snake. Here is mine... I am actually doing some breeding with the Alabama this year. I was suprised with a clutch this past summer right after I found her.

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Here is a grey rat snake. Which one looks closer to the one you have? Here is a link to a site with a pic.

http://tallahasseemuseum.org/uploads/images/wildlifeFlorida/greysnake.jpg
 
Buzzard, here is a photo of mine... looks closer to the grey rat snake, still not very sure and neither was the person I bought it from:

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I've read somewhere here that the rule of 3 is good for females to breed: 3 foot long, 300g and 3 years old. That all might not happen at the same time- eg she may be longer than 3 foot when she weighs that much- but it sounds pretty good, especially if you're just doing it for a hobby; there'd be no point in harming the snake unnecessarily. Although having never bred myself I don't have an opinion or experience to share with you, that's just what I've read in the past. I'd be interested to see what snakes you get so whenever you do this please post pictures! :D
 
Yep, No doubt, Grey rat. I would use the 3,3,3 rule if you plan on trying. 3 ft, 3yrs, 300 grams. She looks small in that photo and still a little thin. Bulk her up and maybe next year she will be ready.... I assume the grey rat is a girl, awful long tail not to be, but I could be wrong.
 
I'd make sure you have an outlet for the babies if you plan on breeding those two snakes (unless you plan on keeping the offspring). It's unlikely that any "morphs" will result from the breeding. What's likely is that the babies will all be grey rat X corn crosses.

Tim
 
The 3/3/3 sounds good to me... The Grey Rat is a Male, and yeah I am trying to fatten him up a bit he's the pickiest eater out of my snakes. I have two males and 2 females, there are some photos in the photo subforum of all of them.
 
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