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Dalek ate Fir bark! Pictures...

ceduke said:
He was told to go to the vet. He chose to ignore that advice and push a giant foreign body down his pet's gut. As a vet tech and a pet owner, I find that appalling.

Weren't you recently sending new members nasty PMs about how they chose to title their threads? Now you're telling me not to be mean to someone who probably just killed their snake by not following advice given. Huh.
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A: So do I, but as a vet tech, would you really rather he freeze his snake than get it vet action because of a mistake? A really stupid, life threatening mistake, but still.
B: You mean recently like in November of last year? Yeah ok. I'm not going to get into whatever drama you want to start.

It's worth noting that according to his profile he's still online, rather than getting to a vet.
 
Pepper said:
A: So do I, but as a vet tech, would you really rather he freeze his snake than get it vet action because of a mistake?
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I would rather see the snake euthanized than die of an impaction or a ruptured intestine. If he's going to take the snake and have the foreign body removed, great. If not, it is my opinion that euthanasia is more humane than death by impaction.
 
I think you guys are over reacting a bit. If the snake has swallowed the mouse, lets give it a few days to see if there is a problem before we run to the emergency room. It may very well pass on it's own.
 
And THAT is why you don't feed in the viv.

You had better hope it passes, if it doesn't then you HAVE to take the snake to a vet. I would take it anyway, just to be safe. You made a bad decision feeding her, please, if this happens again just take her to a vet right away or try to make her regurgitate it.

Personally, I don't feel sorry for you, it's widely known that feeding the viv can lead to this sort of thing. You made a mistake, and now you and your snake have to pay.

Please just take what you've learned from this experience and apply it in your future.
 
I agree that the OP didn't make the best decision in this case, but c'mon. Do we really need to rub salt on this wound? Lets take it easy and try to help this poor soul out.

Thanks

Wayne
 
medusacoils said:
I agree that the OP didn't make the best decision in this case, but c'mon. Do we really need to rub salt on this wound? Lets take it easy and try to help this poor soul out.
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You're right. I apologize for overreacting. OP, I do still feel that your snake should see a vet. It's possible this thing may pass, or it may need to be removed. Either way, I'd rather get a professional opinion if it were my animal.

In the future, putting the food on a paper plate in the tank will prevent bedding from being eaten.
 
medusacoils said:
I agree that the OP didn't make the best decision in this case, but c'mon. Do we really need to rub salt on this wound? Lets take it easy and try to help this poor soul out.

Thanks

Wayne
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Yay, someone with a bit of civility, that's definitely been lacking around here just lately! ;)

If you people want to read back through the thread, there was advice given that said to try and line it up so that it might pass and that advice was given by someone who has been dealing with snakes a lot longer than any of us combined, I should imagine!

I think it may or may not pass, I had a corn come to me kept previously on similar bedding, who passed a huge (what I thought was huge for the snakes size) piece of substrate in it's first toilet, that corn is doing very well and I have not had a single problem with it.

To the original poster, I would suggest keeping a very close eye on it, if there is any reason that you feel concerned, (you know your snake better than any of us) then a vet visit will be a wise decision.

I wish you good luck!
 
Another thing you can try is giving it baths, especially if you notice the snake beginning to poop. The water getting into the cloaca, may help move the object along. I'm going to think that you should see a bump appear right before the vent, right before she poops. You may also try a little Vaseline or KY jelly. Anything to lube up that opening. That's assuming it makes it that far.

If you have a reptile vet in the area, I would give them a ring in the morning and see what they suggest. They may have you bring her in, only if a problem arises. That, I wouldn't wait on. Make that call.

Wayne
 
So what would a vet do in this case? I mean there is no way to pull it out. So do they operate?

And here I was going to post that the OP should get a long pair of tweezers, and some vaseline... I'm still trying to wrap my head around how it got in there. I mean it had to go in AFTER the mouse... crazy...
 
medusacoils said:
Another thing you can try is giving it baths, especially if you notice the snake beginning to poop. The water getting into the cloaca, may help move the object along. I'm going to think that you should see a bump appear right before the vent, right before she poops. You may also try a little Vaseline or KY jelly. Anything to lube up that opening. That's assuming it makes it that far.

If you have a reptile vet in the area, I would give them a ring in the morning and see what they suggest. They may have you bring her in, only if a problem arises. That, I wouldn't wait on. Make that call.

Wayne
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Good thinking and I really should have added that last part myself, thank you Wayne!
 
It's so big and the snake is so small... I highly doubt it'll pass on it's own. Especially since it won't be digested much if at ALL.
 
I seriously doubt it'll pass by itself. Like I said, Mouse pooped a perfect, intact piece of aspen when I fed her in-tank, and that was considerably smaller and a more pliable shape than this. Vet would be the only option for me.
 
I might point out that not one single person here knows what it is that the snake swallowed. It may have been as skinny as a tooth pick. It may or may not pass through the system. I can tell you for a fact if you rush it to the vet he will say to wait a week or two and see what happens. If an impaction occurs we will then do what is necessary to resolve that. Until then there is nothing to do. You are all making a very big deal out of something that is not a big deal.

We all make mistakes and we learn. None of us got involved with snakes knowing everything. The OP has learned a good lesson and that is great. Good for you. If you aren’t totally bummed by the responses you have gotten here are still reading all the good advice. Of course if we have driven you away with all of our preaching then I guess we can’t help you any further.
 
I would just like to agree with Wade here and state what should be the obvious, this forum is supposed to be a place where people can come and ask for help and advice without the fear of being berated, belittled and made out to be terrible horrible stupid people.

Just because a person knows something(or feels they know something) and to them it seems logical and obvious, does not mean that everyone knows that same information! All people make mistakes, and the fact that people come here and ask for help should be enough to show that they have a desire to learn and correct their mistakes so they do not happen again.

We ALL love our snakes and snakes in general here BUT that does not give us the right to act as though we are superior and treat others so unkindly, if the roles were reversed how would it make "you"(not referring to one specific person here) feel?
 
wade said:
I might point out that not one single person here knows what it is that the snake swallowed. It may have been as skinny as a tooth pick. It may or may not pass through the system. I can tell you for a fact if you rush it to the vet he will say to wait a week or two and see what happens. If an impaction occurs we will then do what is necessary to resolve that. Until then there is nothing to do. You are all making a very big deal out of something that is not a big deal.

We all make mistakes and we learn. None of us got involved with snakes knowing everything. The OP has learned a good lesson and that is great. Good for you. If you aren’t totally bummed by the responses you have gotten here are still reading all the good advice. Of course if we have driven you away with all of our preaching then I guess we can’t help you any further.
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I owe you rep, Wade. No-one can learn easily if they are belittled and chastised for asking questions and making mistakes. They will either see the insults and leave the forum or try to defend themselves. Errorless learning isn't often an option in real life situations. None of us on here are perfect beings who never had to ask for help or made mistakes in our lives!
 
Thanks everyone for the kind words and even to you all that may have been a little "harsh", I know that all of us here are passionate about snakes and we all take those passions one way or another. When I moved the obstruction; which was done VERY gingerly, it moved with much ease and when righted in line with her body it was un noticeable at that point. I think if it didn't go sideways I may have never known she swallowed it. I called the vet this morning and they said from my description of the snakes weight, age and size of the obstruction we should wait till she goes through a week or so to see if it passes. The vet gave the same advise as some of you all here in just watching the vent area to see how that looks and to make sure no lumps form. If any do form rush to their location as soon as possible. Also let her swim in a tub of warm watter for about 10 - 20 min in about a day or so and that may entice her to drink more watter during that time and help the bark pass more easily. But until any obvious signs happen he said all we can do is wait for the moment and hope for the best. On the side note I think this has been a big learning experience and I welcome every bit of knowledge I can get. I have barely been owning snakes for about 11 months now and I have been on this sight almost every day of that time learning as much as I can. Regardless of what happens I will take what I can from this and provide even better care for my snakes in the future.
 
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