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Disapointment, what would you do?

I'm getting the impression that some of you think that I actually have some sort of issue with the OP. I don't and never did! I was simply having fun...note the tiny disclaimer at the bottom about the entire post being written in sarcastic font plus the winky smilie. Yeah, I've had a crappy week, but I wouldn't take it out on my internet friends, especially over nothing! I'm sorry if my teasing has given the wrong impression, but I did just about everything I could think of to make sure my intentions were perfectly clear. Sht-eating grins are my big giveaway in person to show that I'm kidding. I have great difficulty keeping a straight face.

But these glasses really need some adjusting or a complete over haul. $188 for something that does nothing but irritate me is not what I had in mind.
 
so far i've had 2 corn snakes lay eggs this year, with ZERO witnessed locks.

when i first started breeding somebody told me that the majority of the time they lock up within 15 or so minutes of being together. NOT TRUE.

just pair your snakes, leave them together without watching for a few days, separate for a few days, repeat! and yeah, the newspaper thing to look for "evidence" works really well.

just because the snake has ovulated doesn't mean the eggs won't get fertilized...i think? they can keep sperm in there for an AMAZINGLY long time!
 
SquamishSerpents said:
so far i've had 2 corn snakes lay eggs this year, with ZERO witnessed locks.

when i first started breeding somebody told me that the majority of the time they lock up within 15 or so minutes of being together. NOT TRUE.

just pair your snakes, leave them together without watching for a few days, separate for a few days, repeat! and yeah, the newspaper thing to look for "evidence" works really well.

just because the snake has ovulated doesn't mean the eggs won't get fertilized...i think? they can keep sperm in there for an AMAZINGLY long time!
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I definitely would not leave them alone. One of my females this year tried to kill her suitor. So leaving them alone for any time not a great idea. And this is not an isolated incedent. Search the forum here and you will find others with the same story. It took two of us to pry her off the male she was try to strangle. Your risk though if you choose otherwise.
 
how do you expect them to breed, then? you have to leave them alone. i've had snakes lock for 72 hours consecutively. i don't need to search the forum, trust me. i've been here for years. i know what can happen and i know that to breed snakes you must leave them alone. a stressed snake will not breed.

the usual time period for mating is 3 days on, 3 days off. at least that's how i do it. i don't mean leave them 100% alone, just don't sit there and watch the entire time. i would check once a night to make sure all is well.

did your male eat prior to breeding? is your female part kingsnake? lol
 
Male hasn't eaten for a month. And female was fed 5 days previous to this breeding. And I watch all the time. Never had a problem with them breeding. And I breed them with 3 days off same as you. But and I never leave them in for more than few hours...depending on what is happening. And then when they have locked and seperated. I seperate them till the next breeding time.
 
i think your female constricting the male was a fluke. i know that snakes will eat each other, absolutely. but we have a bloodred pair and the male chomps down on the female to restrain her. never had a problem and they've had many, many clutches.

with breeding they do need their alone time. watching every few hours isn't going to do much good anyways because it only takes minutes for the snake to constrict and start swallowing.

it's the same as "supervised live feeding." WTF is the point? even if you're supervising, there's no chance you can stop a rat/mouse from biting your snake, it happens so fast.

all i'm saying is when pairing your snakes, don't slide open the bin every 2 seconds. keep an eye, absolutely. if you hear a ton of thrashing around, make sure everything is ok and it's just regular courting behavior, and you're good to go.

i'm not saying don't pay any attention at all, BE CAREFUL but not to the point of stressing the snakes out.
 
What a nasty reply. If you don't want to reply then don't, but there is no need for all that.... Sorry Carnivorous Zoo. It seems people on here are getting awfully nasty lately. I hope everything works out for you... Best of luck.
 
SquamishSerpents said:
i think your female constricting the male was a fluke. i know that snakes will eat each other, absolutely. but we have a bloodred pair and the male chomps down on the female to restrain her. never had a problem and they've had many, many clutches.

with breeding they do need their alone time. watching every few hours isn't going to do much good anyways because it only takes minutes for the snake to constrict and start swallowing.

it's the same as "supervised live feeding." WTF is the point? even if you're supervising, there's no chance you can stop a rat/mouse from biting your snake, it happens so fast.

all i'm saying is when pairing your snakes, don't slide open the bin every 2 seconds. keep an eye, absolutely. if you hear a ton of thrashing around, make sure everything is ok and it's just regular courting behavior, and you're good to go.

i'm not saying don't pay any attention at all, BE CAREFUL but not to the point of stressing the snakes out.
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I don't check them every couple of hours. I breed them in a clear plastic bin. And I stand off to the side and watch. I had said I only leave them in the breeding bin for a couple of hours depending on their interest. If he is showing signs of interest then I leave them the couple of hours. If not he gets pulled after an hour of inactivety. And if it had been him biting her to restrain her then I would not have been concerned.

It may have been a fluke, but still would have resulted in a dead male. For me I would rather not have them breed, then have one kill the other. But I only have 5-6 pairings a year so it is easier for me than others. As well I breed more for snakes I want to add to my collection. So if I don't get that pairing this year, then there is always next year.

Also, not saying what others do is wrong or what I am doing is right. It is just what I do.
 
Susan said:
Flagging is when the female holds still and lifts her tail to the male as if to say "Hey Big Boy! I'm ready, willing and able and I like YOU!"
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Typical womens behaviour so...
But they are snakes
They like Mice ...not dogs
So give them some privacy

What I actually wonder...

Do you guys own your own "couples"

Why not stud your males, or pimp your females out in return for a percentage of a clutch?

Seems to make more sense to me as a novice as you
Dont accidently buy a gay snake
A snake that shoots blanks
A RC Snake


Gives you a chance to breed on with a particular specimen in a clutch without being related to what you own.

just borrow one for a one night slither

Or am i completely mistaken
 
desiredbard said:
Typical womens behaviour so...
But they are snakes
They like Mice ...not dogs
So give them some privacy

What I actually wonder...

Do you guys own your own "couples"

Why not stud your males, or pimp your females out in return for a percentage of a clutch?

Seems to make more sense to me as a novice as you
Dont accidently buy a gay snake
A snake that shoots blanks
A RC Snake


Gives you a chance to breed on with a particular specimen in a clutch without being related to what you own.

just borrow one for a one night slither

Or am i completely mistaken
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Not sure who you were asking this of, but I will answer anyways.

I own my own "couples".
People do breeding loans of females/males...terms negotiated between the people involved.
Of course the issue here could be that there is in a breeding sometimes that rare one in 800 chance of getting that single specimen you are looking for in that breeding....And if it is that rare who gets it.
But aside from that the reason I don't do it is that in Canada shipping snakes is a real pain (if you don't live near an airport)! And very expensive. So it is easier to buy and breed your self. And in my specific case I live 2 hours away from a major airport (the main way of shipping here) and a whole lot further from any breeders. For instance Squamish and I live about 1700 kilometers apart. Little hard to borrow one for a one night slither. :)

There are some other breeders I meet with at shows that we trade offspring to get what we want though.
 
Actually, someone near us (well about 2 hours away) is looking for a male to breed her female as her male won't do his business. We just might be doing this with Ari... If so, I would get half the clutch and first choice.... in the works, but who knows.... It's a thought, depending on what her snake looks like. I think Ari would make a lovely stud.

Here is Ari:

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Thanks Smallet. I think so too. He's got great colouring. He was sold as an albino. I don't know if he is or not. Just love him so much and think he would make a fantastic stud. If things work out, he just might be...
 
Well, they did not kill each other nor did they mate. There have been no eggs from this pairing nor has there been another shed since the one I saw after breeding her. Just probed her for the 5th time this time with 2 helpers as she is quite wiggly and resistant to being probed. Once again I got the firm stop that screams female. Perhaps she just wasn't ready this year. I do not know. But I do plan to try her again next year. To the person who said I won't get her to breed at all this year, I do know some people that breed year round so its not impossible, but I refuse to force her. May is my cutoff for even trying and with that being a couple of days away I won't be bothering her any more this year. Susan, I did not take any of your posts to mean you had issues with me ok? We're cool ;)
 
Don't give up on her. The season isn't over yet. I have several females that have yet to have a male court them, let alone accept them. And I know the males are ready, willing and able if the female was ready. Wait until she sheds again and try again. And if it's any consolation, my dilute anery mot female that I have 4 confirmed matings with my granite male just laid a lovely clutch of 16 slugs. Not a single fertile egg. And my anery motley het dilute +, which didn't have either of the 2 males I put with her even attempt to court her, laid her clutch today...22 slugs and 2 fertile eggs, possible from retained sperm from last year, but I can't swear to that. Breeding is always a gamble. Sometimes you lose.
 
Oh I'm ok for this year I have a clutch of 9 eggs in the incubator from my "anery" girl bred to the same male that I tried with the diffused female. There are veins and now movement in the eggs so I know the male is not the problem. I am thinking perhaps the diffused is just not ready. Will give her a try next year. I am expecting normals het snow from the clutch I was happy to get this year, though (secretly hope to see a snow!) surprises would be a welcome sight at pipping! LOL
 
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