Discussion of forum political discussions thread Continued--keep it decent

[gwb8568]

I don't see myself getting involved in this thread as I had pretty much summed up my feelings in the last one. Having said that, I did want to mention one quick thing though to further back up Mike's quote:

My point is, that there are members here as young as 10 yrs old.

THOSE are members.........Susan has already given an example of a 7 year old who can, and does, view the site and is a NON-member. Just something to think about. In this day and age, almost anything on the WWW is visible by whoever has the willingness to view it.

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[Roy Munson]

You don't just choose to take issue with random, insignificant things for the sake of flexing your debate muscles. :cheers:

Just can't help yourself, can you Jennifer? I know, I know, you're innocent and this comment wasn't intended to be inflammatory and it didn't directly target anyone. And I thought Botticelli was the little pieces of pasta in rice pilaf, I swear. Consider this the formal warning.

 

[Lennycorn]

I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that what's appropriate depends on the person.

With that said,
Try to run or mod a site with a 1000 or so member of various ages, gender etc etc. and keep everything appropriate.

 

[Fizzlefry22]

I guess the point that I'm trying to make is that what's appropriate depends on the person.

So very true! And despite all our efforts to take everyone into consideration... I'm sure we'll offend someone, somewhere...somehow. :uhoh:

 

[Jrgh17]

With that said,
Try to run or mod a site with a 1000 or so member of various ages, gender etc etc. and keep everything appropriate.

And despite all our efforts to take everyone into consideration... I'm sure we'll offend someone, somewhere...somehow. :uhoh:

AND... BINGO was his name-o!

 

[mbdorfer]

And I thought Botticelli was the little pieces of pasta in rice pilaf, I swear.

Now that's hilarious! Back off, I'm Italian :laugh01:

 

[tyflier]

And herin lies the problem...the word "offensive" is not defineable. Neither is "vulgar". What is offensive to some will not be to others. Someone, somewhere, will ALWAYS be offended, by something.

So "offensive" needs to be changed to something defineable. Pornographic, profane, obscene, racist, bigotist, sexist, violent...these terms are definable to a very specific standard. And these things should be forbidden. In my humble opinion...images and phrases that imply the above should also be disallowed.

Since what is offensive cannot clearly be lineated and defined, we need to change our use of the word "offensive" to something that is defineable...

And since that really doesn't fall directly in line with the current state of this particular topic...I am going to refrain from further posting until I CAN bring myself in line. I just wanted to stir the proverbial pot, as it were...

 

[TandJ]

I am disappointed.. The politics needs to stay out of here.. If you want to make a political statement, this is not the place really..

My point is, that there are members here as young as 10 yrs old.

I won't let my soon to be 13 year old come here.. It is to political..

And despite all our efforts to take everyone into consideration... I'm sure we'll offend someone, somewhere...somehow.

I am offended by a lot of the politics that takes place here myself.. :shrugs:

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[desertanimal]

I am disappointed.. The politics needs to stay out of here.. If you want to make a political statement, this is not the place really..

I remember you VERY recently being a repeated and vociferous participant in a VERY LENGTHY thread about illegal immigration. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's politics, and that your statements in that thread were therefore political . . .

 

[TandJ]

I remember you VERY recently being a repeated and vociferous participant in a VERY LENGTHY thread about illegal immigration. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's politics and that the statements you were making in that thread were therefore political

The political sense in the form of you constantly starting threads like this one. These threads do not belong here... Of course these threads are generally trying to get people to respond, like you had asked, makes me wonder how big that gas can is, that you keep feeding the fire with..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

For the record.. I hold a Green Card in the US.. I had to pay my way and do things legally. Apparently, being proactive towards legal immigration must be political, and by doing the right thing, and expecting others follow suit must be a political statement..

 

[tom e]

How we are helping children by sheltering them from conversations about politics, I just don't know.

But for members here who are gay, there's nothing 'political' about that fact in and of itself. I think Stephanie's point is that when the natural points in the conversation come to "my wife and I went camping" etc, she can't possibly leave that out AND be who she is any more than you can..

Now the other thread had alot of good points in it. Things I hadn't thought about, though I don't think I was particularly guilty of either. Cleavage profanity and sexy remarks are inapropriate on this forum. But if your mind (I mean that to everybody) runs that way when you hear the word gay, than that's something you need to deal with personally. More to the point "how I feel about gay people in society", is something everyone's kids will have to deal with personally as well, so it couldn't hurt them to see the discussion.

 

[texastailfeathers]

Just can't help yourself, can you Jennifer? I know, I know, you're innocent and this comment wasn't intended to be inflammatory and it didn't directly target anyone. And I thought Botticelli was the little pieces of pasta in rice pilaf, I swear. Consider this the formal warning.

Dean, if you want to take my every comment personally, that's entirely up to you. You have obviously chosen to do so, and I won't try to stop you. My very existence seems to irritate you and, to be quite honest, I haven't lost any sleep over that fact.

But, for what it's worth, you are doing a wonderful job in making it abundantly clear that it is a worse offense on this forum to annoy a moderator than to actually offend people. You seem proud of that, but I find it a bit sad.

Consider this my formal "up yours".

 

[desertanimal]

The political sense in the form of you constantly starting threads like this one. These threads do not belong here... Of course these threads are generally trying to get people to respond, like you had asked, makes me wonder how big that gas can is, that you keep feeding the fire with..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

Here's my thread-start list.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/search.php?searchid=653763&pp=25

There are 90 threads started by me in the year and a half I've been here. ONE of these 90 threads has been about gay rights related issues. Either you've got a funny idea of "constantly starting threads," or I just make a big impression on you. I don't have a gas can, and I hadn't noticed any fire, or even anything fiery here before your post above. :shrugs:

 

[tom e]

For the record.. I hold a Green Card in the US.. I had to pay my way and do things legally. Apparently, being proactive towards legal immigration must be political, and by doing the right thing, and expecting others follow suit must be a political statement..

And Tim, you were 'allowed' to do things legally, so that's no comparison. Don't get mad, I only took the bait you did, lol.

 

[Tula_Montage]

Simple fact is that we don't have a 100% adult audience.
Let's not start another monster.

I haven't bothered with this recent fiasco as there have been more important things to deal with. However I will say this, why should members be subjected to reminders of conducting ourselfs in a civil adult fashion when a large majority of the active members are not even adults? Members who have not learned how to behave in an adult fashion. BTW what constitutes as an adult? I'd love to know.

I have been around different sexualities, races, religious, violence, drunkeness, abusive/bad language and addiction my whole life. When was it appropriate for me to be exposed to these things? When I turned 16 and was legally of concent? I don't think anyone should be exposed to the type of behaviour which is "normal" in my family cirlce, but it happened and it does not phase me.

This forum is a community within society, and unfortunatley we all have different values and priciples to which we hold dear. One persons "how you doin" is another persons "hit that". It's all sexualy motivated behaviour.

I disagree with sexually motivated conversations being public on a family forum, but why should we disregard a few youngsters talking about the latest cartoon or their day at school. I see it all the time... "I need to vent about this teacher who I hate" and the thread is just left dwindling. Whereas a sexualty motivated thread goes on for months. What constitutes as adult content, and when does a subject become "above" us adults?

We all have to remember that our image is expressing our sexuality, whether we wear lipstick, or shave our heads or have tattoos. Bearing this in mind, children learn this at a very young age. So when we post pictures with the intent on catching people eyes or not, we are expressing our sexuality and it's always detectable.

 

[Roy Munson]

Dean, if you want to take my every comment personally, that's entirely up to you. You have obviously chosen to do so, and I won't try to stop you. My very existence seems to irritate you and, to be quite honest, I haven't lost any sleep over that fact.

It wasn't me whom I thought you were targeting-- but I think we both know that. Just drop that game. I don't rep people whose existence irritates me, and I've enjoyed about 99% of your participation here. I can deal with the 1% that I don't like. I don't know why the "lost sleep" comment was necessary.

But, for what it's worth, you are doing a wonderful job in making it abundantly clear that it is a worse offense on this forum to annoy a moderator than to actually offend people. You seem proud of that, but I find it a bit sad.

*The silent and oppressed pump fists as the feisty, no-nonsense crusader sticks it to their oppressor.* :laugh: C'mon, Jennifer. Why don't you back that up with some facts after you're done grieving for my mis-placed pride. :grin01:

 

[TandJ]

And Tim, you were 'allowed' to do things legally, so that's no comparison.

I was not allowed to do it illegally, I did it through proper channels and procedures, like they ask everyone coming to the US to do.. Your right, there is no comparision about immigrating legally or blantenly breaking the laws..

There are 90 threads started by me in the year and a half I've been here. ONE of these 90 threads has been about gay rights related issues. Either you've got a funny idea of "constantly starting threads," or I just make a big impression on you..

My poor choice of words, I should have never said started, rather, you seem to be in the middle of quite a few heated arguements.. You don't make much of an impression on me, I can't even say that I like you, I tolerate you enough that your not on my ignore list, but thats it..

Tim of T and J

 

[zwyatt]

First off, I apologize for having to make this off-topic post, but my hand has been forced.

Dean, if you want to take my every comment personally, that's entirely up to you. You have obviously chosen to do so, and I won't try to stop you. My very existence seems to irritate you and, to be quite honest, I haven't lost any sleep over that fact.

But, for what it's worth, you are doing a wonderful job in making it abundantly clear that it is a worse offense on this forum to annoy a moderator than to actually offend people. You seem proud of that, but I find it a bit sad.

It has nothing to do with simply irritating Dean. You just can't seem to keep your hand out of the cookie jar making snide remarks. He's simply well aware of the obvious personal campaign you seem to be running to get under my skin for no apparent reason. Somehow you've gotten it into your head that it's clever or in some way adult-like behavior to constantly take passive-aggressive shots at me because I questioned something you wrote in my thread.

Time after time you've made remarks pouting about things or directly or indirectly tried to make me look like I've got a problem. Maybe you just build yourself up by trying to belittle others. It's fine if you want to attack my argument, my principles, whatever, but when you resort to a personal attack it's proof positive that you either don't have a case or don't have anything good enough to say so you sink to trying to make me out to be the bad guy saying I'm uptight, need to chill out or that I just want to flex my debate muscles when I was only opening up something for discussion. If I decide to flex my debate muscles, you'll know it.

I don't think you and I ever once shared a negative word on this forum before, primarily because I don't think we ever shared a word period prior to a day or two ago. I never said a backwards or sideways thing to you once. I simply replied to your comments that were posted in a thread I started, and you would have thought that I spit in your face the way you've been acting since. Don't for one second pretend like your comments have been subtle or innocent. Even your comment in this thread was a blatant reference to the grudge you were still holding from the previous thread. I don't understand how an adult can carry on like this.

You try to pass me off as being uptight and needing to chill out, yet you can't seem to let go of this imaginary personal attack that you've dreamt up. Do you have nothing better to do but to try to pick on someone for doing absolutely nothing to you? Grow up.

 

[desertanimal]

My poor choice of words, I should have never said started, rather, you seem to be in the middle of quite a few heated arguements..

Mmm. Perhaps that's so, but I'm never in the middle of them all by myself! I'm always in good company! LOL!

You don't make much of an impression on me, I can't even say that I like you, I tolerate you enough that your not on my ignore list, but thats it..

Tim of T and J

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Since I'm not on your all-time-list-of-favorite-people, I promise not to solicit your input in the threads I start that you deem inflammatory in the future. Of course you're more than welcome if you want to contribute, but I won't push it on you.

 

[TandJ]

Originally Posted by TandJ
You don't make much of an impression on me, I can't even say that I like you, I tolerate you enough that your not on my ignore list, but thats it..

Tim of T and J

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Since I'm not on your all-time-list-of-favorite-people, I promise not to solicit your input in the threads I start that you deem inflammatory in the future. Of course you're more than welcome if you want to contribute, but I won't push it on you.

You want honesty, I gave you true to life honesty.. Heck, you don't make any of my lists, don't give yourself that much credit.. Point blank, you are in not in anyway attractive to me, get over yourself, your not important at all... Thank you for inviting me into a public forum to actually respond your Highness.. *lol*

Tim of T and J