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Dog attack

Yeah I was out at a tenants house doing a walkthrough the other day and her dog bit me three times. She asked me if I would like him locked up in the other room. Honestly I couldn't care less. He didn't have the strength to tear my pant leg, let alone break skin. I mean that. One bite he held pretty tightly to my hand and it didn't even hurt. My little poodle even was at least three times his size, lol.

If people keep using that comparison, they should expect that it get mocked a little.
 
One does not follow the other.

African Rock Python = cornsnake
Pit Bulls = poodle

Poodles can bite and a small poodle is still capable of killing or severely maiming a small child. A standard poodle is easily capable of severely maiming or killing an adult.

And when little kids want to see my snakes, I bring out one of the small ones, just to be safe, or let them only look. My 3 year-old girl has cut off circulation to my arm fairly well and I'm not about to drape her around the shoulders of a little kid. However, because corns are smaller, they are easier to deal with in a dangerous situation. Size is one of the biggest factors in fatality recordings. A daschund cannot easily kill me because he can't reach anything terribly vital and I can fend him off. If my 45 lb dog decided to go after someone, he can easily knock someone down and go for the throat. It's a matter of sheer size... but opportunity also plays a role.
"The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.) "

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/07/29/dnt.ok.puppy.kills.baby.cnn And here is a link to a baby that was killed by a puppy.

ALL dogs have the potential to be dangerous.

Any guardian/guard/watch-type breed is going to pose, statistically, more of a danger. Breeding specifically FOR aggression by backyard breeders is not helping.
 
I swore I was going to stay out of this, but I'm changing my mind...

Yes, bully types do have a higher number of bites reported than other breeds, but if you take into account the fact that there are WAY more bullies than most other breeds due to over-breeding....Over-breeding means poor breeding in many cases, which is one thing that often leads to poor temperament...They are over-bred because some numbskulls think the dogs make them look "cool"...so those people don't take the time to socialize their dogs, and many of them spend their lives on chains...and the fact that ANY short haired, broad-skulled dog who bites a person is reported as a pit bull, I'll bet the number would be significantly lower. These statistics are deeply flawed because of the breed misidentification alone. There was a dog involved in a fatal attack in my area a few years ago who was reported as a pit bull. A few days later the shelter said "oops, no, he's a purebred American Bulldog!"...but the media did nothing to fix their earlier claim, thus for weeks people went on about the "horrible pit bull".

I want to see pictures of the two dogs involved in the attack. It would not surprise me to see American Bulldogs, Dogo Argentinos, Black Mouth Curs, or mutts. It WOULD surprise me to see an APBT.

I cry bull on the people who claim that their dog has never shown any signs of aggression before an attack. The red flags are there if you know what to look for. The problem is (sometimes at least) that bully types were bred to keep their warning signs subtle, so as not to set off the other dog in the ring. Someone who is not experienced might not notice the slightly stiffened posture, tail carriage, etc. My mom's poodle mix though...when he is annoyed he displays his teeth, an obvious indication to anyone with two brain cells to rub together that he's upset. Plus, so many dogs of ANY breed involved in attacks have spent their lives on a chain in a backyard. That's enough to drive any dog insane, especially an intelligent, busy dog like a bully. California recently passed anti-chaining laws, and I'm interested to see how that affects the number of bites each year.

I haven't been over EVERY post, so I don't know if this has been posted, but here: Find the Pit Bull. It took me multiple tries, and I LOVE the breed.

Another issue that seems to be getting ignored is that animal aggression does NOT equal human aggression. A lot of bully dogs are reactive to other dogs. Not all of them by any means, but a higher percentage than most breeds certainly. People who own them seem to think that just because Fifi hasn't snipped at another dog, she never will. The pit bull rescue I follow has made it clear over and over that it only takes one incident of a bully becoming overstimulated during playtime for those instincts to come roaring to the surface. For that reason, they recommend playtime with dogs you are familiar with, NOT dog parks. For that reason, I avoid letting my dog play with bullies in the dog park. We have several bullies in the "play group" we meet with, and I have never ever worried about them hurting my dog, but I do believe that in general a dog park is not a great idea.

Bad Rap is the rescue I follow. They do careful temperament testing on all of their animals. They did the temperament testing on the Vick animals. They do euthanize any dog in their program who shows itself to be unsuitable for adoption (usually fearful dogs). And they are doing their best to help debunk myths and spread responsible bullydog ownership. Mandatory training is a must for any big bouncy dog, if nothing else to make sure they don't bounce on someone hard enough to knock them over.

Banning the breed is stupid. All it's going to do is hurt responsible people and their family pets. Does anyone really believe that the kind of person who keeps bullies to look "tough" is going to give up their dogs just because the laws change? I don't. Eventually, they'll just pick another breed to ruin anyways.

My opinion is that what we need is stricter licensing laws, stiff fines for unaltered dogs of any breed, and LOTS of education and free/low-cost training classes. BAD RAP has gone into neighborhoods with a bad reputation for aggressive dogs and TONS of bullies and found that lots of people there do love their dogs and just don't know that training is important and that dogs are unhappy outside on a chain. Every year they go and people can turn in their chains for a nice buckle collar and lead, get free training advice, spay/neuter vouchers (WHICH GET USED!!), and vaccines. There are some people out there who genuinely don't care, but there are also a LOT of people who are just ignorant about their dogs' basic needs...and given the chance and the education they will do the right thing. That is how we will see a drop in dog bites, not by committing genocide.
 
http://www.pitbullgear.com/Articles.asp?ID=187

Another website that has info on the breed.

Have any of you heard of a greyhound attacking a child? I sure have!
Have you heard of a greyhound attacking and Killing a small animal?
I sure have!

How about a Chihuahua that can damage someones hands.. Badly.. or snap and bite at a childs face?! It can and I am sure happens!

What about my friend's Mom's Cocker spainel.. that would growl and bite at everyone that DIDN'T Live in the home... hell he tried to bite my friend.. And then her mom decided to breed him to there female.. Ugh.. So we need more bitey Cocker spainels.
 
This is exactly what I have been talking about with the animal lovers talking from the heart and not the head. Don’t get me wrong, I have a small dog and love him. I’m not a dog hater. But it is just silly to compare the potential danger of a big dog to a small dog. A dog that has been bred to have very strong jaw muscles to a cocker spaniel. Of course little dogs can bite. Under just the right circumstances they might even hurt someone. Is it as likely as it would be with a big dog? Of course not.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PJ5GQxPT9E
Tormenting a chi ... I am sure this dog has biten people... And they think it is funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55s_bxyFpW8
another Chi being tormented.

If you did these things to a Pit..and they were doing this.. they are now vicious animals..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBfYIeXy7Ks
Yea, real good... :-/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrIOGsqUoE
Im not real Sure what to say about this one..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0F7kJUb2E4
Yea, instead of doing this.. teach him that is not right.


I am sure there are tons of people doing this kinds of crap to pit and bully breeds.. I am sure that when they get teased enough something will happen. And then it is the PIT or Bully breed to blame. Not the people or kids.
 
Poodles can bite and a small poodle is still capable of killing or severely maiming a small child. A standard poodle is easily capable of severely maiming or killing an adult.

What the difference here is, poodles were never bred specifically as a killing machine. I agree with anyone who says all dogs have the potential to bite, cause injury, disfigurement and even death.
American pit bull terriers pose a unique problem, mainly due to what they were bred to do. I've never made any such claim that there are not really gentle pit bulls out there. I know there are. But time and time again, you read with these attacks that everyone who knew the dog never saw the potential for the incident the dog became involved in. This is where I believe the instintual influences took over in the dog's breeding.
I really target bad pet owners, but the problem with pit owners who shouldn't own pits, don't have anyone speaking out against them and stopping them from getting one in the first place. So when I see a pit bull out in public without a muzzle, am I just supposed to assume the owner is responsible and possesses the knowledge to properly train such a potentially dangerous breed before I show signs of caution? NO!!!! Sorry, but I am very untrusting of this particular breed of dog. There are far too many owners of these animals who own them for the "cool factor".
Muzzle by-laws should apply to several breeds known for their potential to kill. That would include rottweillers, akita's and presa canarios (the Canary Island equivelent of a pit bull). This is a responsibility owners of such dogs could take on as a show of good faith to their community and that they do have concern for the potential their animal has to injure.

Have any of you heard of a greyhound attacking a child? I sure have!
Have you heard of a greyhound attacking and Killing a small animal?
I sure have!

How about a Chihuahua that can damage someones hands.. Badly.. or snap and bite at a childs face?! It can and I am sure happens!

What about my friend's Mom's Cocker spainel.. that would growl and bite at everyone that DIDN'T Live in the home... hell he tried to bite my friend.. And then her mom decided to breed him to there female.. Ugh.. So we need more bitey Cocker spainels.

More ignoring what this breed was bred for and ignoring the difference when pits decide to attack
 
So you would rather have a Nasty Chihuahua around ure infant.. then a nicely breed Pit bull with a Solid temperment? Because the Pit could do more dmg? But if the chi goes after ure kids face.. could do a lot of dmg.. But that Is OK?
 
I think that it's ironic that some folks are being upset by this thread, when they are most likely the kind of owners that I think are the outstanding ones.
Like I quoted Lori in saying, I don't believe in banning them. I believe that the owners should understand that they need to work harder with them than some other dogs, need to make sure they have a tall sturdy fence and need to keep strict accountability on where the dog is at all times. Ie is he getting out when I'm at work etc..

I will state I don't think every pit needs a muzzle in public. But he should be on a leash and under the control of the person walking him.
When I'm in a dog park, and a bully breed comes in off leash, I don't worry for my dog. I can tell that I'm dealing with one of those owners who knows and cares about their dog enough to take it to the dog park and socialize it. I'm worried about the one roaming the streets alone.
 
So you would rather have a Nasty Chihuahua around ure infant.. then a nicely breed Pit bull with a Solid temperment? Because the Pit could do more dmg? But if the chi goes after ure kids face.. could do a lot of dmg.. But that Is OK?

I'm sorry but if you get to frame it like that, it's obvious. Nasty versus solid is too funny. Both breeds can be both..
 
You know what.. I am just gonna say.. I have my Opinions and u have ures. Agree to disagree.. No matter what I put here to show you makes no difference. It falls on Deaf ears it seems. So, lets all make a law.. that Every dog over 20lbs gets a muzzle.. Woop! That does a lot. So, we can continue to have biting small dogs.. because they don't do as much dmg. Sounds good. I will put my roomies 2 biting chi's with my friends 3 week old baby.. and I will put a muzzle on my Pits because they are pits..and don't bite anyone.. But there is a "Chance" they can.. sounds good.
 
So you would rather have a Nasty Chihuahua around ure infant.. then a nicely breed Pit bull with a Solid temperment? Because the Pit could do more dmg? But if the chi goes after ure kids face.. could do a lot of dmg.. But that Is OK?

Huh? Where did you draw that conclusion?? Honestly, I wouldn't have either of those breeds if I had infants or small kids. But that's just my personal choice.

I'm not really thinking this is the kind of injury your average chihuahua does.

unnamed-pit-bull-attack-victim-scalp-injury.jpg
 
Let me put this hypothetical out there for those who love the breed as anyone else.

You're out walking your dog at night. There is a house with a low chain link fence, about 3 foot high, and a dog is behind it barking and acting defensive. You don't know the dog from Adam. Suddenly you see the latch on the gate is open and the dog only needs to push it to get out.

Are you more worried about it if it's a Rottweiler or a chihuahua? How about a Pit or a Labrador?

Like I said you don't know the dog at all and all you know is what are the typical temperaments of the breeds. Strike that, you also know the dog is acting aggressively.
 
Dog parks are a BIG No no with Pits.. period. Too much risk. I don't go to them. havn't in MANY MANY MANY YEars. My dogs are ALWAYS on leash. And in the backyard.. I am ALWAYS With them. I have worked with a dog behaviorist.. I know about some Dog postures. I Know if I see my dogs getting to worked up.. they get put up. I Don't play that game. They sit and wait for there food to be given to them. I can freely put my hands in there bowls. I just hate that the whole breed is being punished for the ones that have not had owners like myself. That care..and do what they can to proove these dogs aren't all bad. But in the wrong hands.. they can be.. Defently. I have never denied it. And it is sad that the dogs that have been in the wrong hands.. have hurt someone. Or killed. I feel for the familys.. I really do. But unless the owners are "Taught a lesson" they will just get another dog.. maybe a pit..and the same thing will happen again. :-/ Banning them isn't going to help.. People will just do it anyways. Like drugs. Lol They are illegal.. But people still buy and use them. And they kill people too. It is just a big circle.
I am not Upset about the thread.. Just upset that people are ruining for everyone else. People that care and train there dogs and do what they have to do to make them good Citizens.. It is truely sad. I will tell anyone.. Come meet my 2. please. Bring ure dogs too..cats even. Kids.. Oo bring those. Jade loves em. I'll just put away my labradoodle..as I don't trust her with kids.
 
I would be afraid if any dog was posturing bad behind the fence. breed doesn't matter to me. Hell at my old house.. there was 2 fluffy white dogs.. that charged the fence we shared.. and growled and barked the WHOLE TIme I was outside with my dogs. Mine.. did nothing. One day while walking my Pits to a friends house.. they had I guess gotten out the yard. They followed.. and barked and growled at us.. for 3 blocks. My Older Staffy.. Was tormented at a Doggy Daycare I worked at.. By a Teacup Pom. He had scars and wounds under his legs from them. I am friends with the owner still to this day..and she will still tell u the story of that. Lol Maybe I just know people with the few "Good" Pits. Lol I dunno.
 
Maybe I just know people with the few "Good" Pits. Lol I dunno.

I can appreciate that, and I KNOW I'm talking about bad owners. But surely some breeds would make you more worried about your physical health than others. Heck even some big breeds I would tend to worry less about as they may just be guarding territory which I have no intention of violating. But some breeds are more likely to want to get at me or my dog than others than they are worried about the yard and whether or not I'm coming in. That's all I'm saying. I think that understanding that about the dogs we love is part of what makes some pit owners the good ones.

I don't think that some rules applied to them are out of line. Most likely things that the good owners are doing already..
 
The only argument I really have here with you Mike is that you refuse to admit to yourself that your dog could potentially be dangerous. And that is simply foolish and irresponsible on your part.
Where did I EVER say that my dog could never be potentially dangerous? Please quote! I said that I knew without a doubt that my dog would never have a "bad day" and bite me, which is absolutely true. I'm with out a doubt a sensible and responsible dog owner, so to be called otherwise is ridiculous, and has nothing to do with this discussion.

Any dog has the potential to be aggressive, given circumstances, and I am in no way denying that. I am simply saying that Pit Bulls, if bred/trained/socialized properly, then they are no more liable to attack than any other breed, and you haven't provided any information that states otherwise. All you've posted is bite statistics, which by no means addresses why these dogs attacked, their previous history, what type of owners they had, who the breeders were, or anything else, and until you can provide those statistics, your idea that "all Pit Bulls are aggressive and should be treated as such" is completely unfounded.

You have, in the past, accused others of twisting the conversation to fit your own sensationalized argument, and you sir are doing that right now. And I also don't appreciate you throwing out accusations of people being foolish, irresponsible, illiterate, or any other... it shows little class, and makes it look more like you just want to cast stones every time someone disagrees with you.
 
Having read further since... I completely agree that there should be stiffer fines/punishment on aggressive dogs that attack, or dogs that aren't properly restrained in public (aggressive or not. Pit Bull or Chihuahua). Higher requirements for breeders, and stiffer penalties when they do not follow those requirements. And other common sense preventatives.
But none of these are limited to Pit Bulls, nor should they be. I think that every dog should be at least leashed in public, aggressive or not, because even a friendly dog (off leash) can run over to a not so friendly dog (on leash), and serious injury can occur.
 
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