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"Epilogue"

Carinata said:
Selling sick animals is not an attribute of any reptile dealer I know....
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Statistically speaking, there's not a chance in the world that every death was met with a postmortem. If a test was not conducted, there's always a chance that the rest of the collection is infected and so, every animal sold from that point on is potentially infected.

It's also unreasonable though, to expect everyone to lose huge investments and to research every single death in huge collections.

I chose to do what I did... probably because my collection was small and I could "survive" the impact. There are people whose entire livelihood will die if they open that can of worms... think about it... it's not as black and white as one would think, and that's coming from someone who made what is considered to be the right choice.
 
Carinata said:
As someone that works for a large breeder, I know if an adult breeder drops for no reason, we will look into it. If for some reason 2 or 3 die, we'll quarentine the entire rack. Breeders aren't as heartless as people think. These are people that made a career out of their hobby, and you can't beat that!
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Quarantining a rack is, sadly, insufficient- technically, the entire collection is at jeopardy if a single animal ended up being Crypto positive.
It has very little to do with being heart-less and allot to do with the fact that their very livelihood depends on the animals, so they can't afford to test entire collections over a single death.
Should an animal die tomorrow, and the result will be Crypto- do you really believe it would be sensible to send 3 fecals tests per every animal in the facility?
And let's say it happens again in 2-3 years?
The implications are too insane.
 
Carinata said:
But Crypto isn't the only reptile disease. One can't assume that everything is Crypto....
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That's exactly where it begins... you don't send post-mortem because you think you know the reason for the death... and you move on.

I'm not blaming anyone for assuming this... if I wasn't clear, I am actually defending the breeders who are very invested in their life-stock.

What I'm saying is... that even the best breeder can accidentally bring in, and sell on, Crypto positive animals. I don't expect huge breeders to shoot themselves in the foot and announce they have Crypto/whatever in their collection either.

Had it not been a business, I would assume that they would be more inclined to share such findings since there was no huge impact to them announcing it- which is why I said that from a pet owners' perspective, it would be better had everyone been enthusiasts who shared everything without any financial interests(that MUST be a part of being a business owner, it's unfair to expect otherwise.)
 
You'd be surprised. Breeders have the money to do the tests, and the reason to (to continue their business). Some backyard breeder is much less likely. I mean they work a day job and may not have the money to just send a bunch of tests off. Plus they can't write it off as a business expense....
 
I also use DE to knock out phorid flies in the snake rack.

There was a post a while back about a snake that got a pinch of DE on her head. The eye caps clouded and sent the snake into a shed cycle. I believe it was Carol that posted the pics. Not sure what this has to do with anything...just throwing it out there.
 
Carinata said:
You'd be surprised. Breeders have the money to do the tests, and the reason to (to continue their business). Some backyard breeder is much less likely. I mean they work a day job and may not have the money to just send a bunch of tests off. Plus they can't write it off as a business expense....
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Not necessarily. The expanse of testing hundreds of animals and the risk of having to euthanize a good many of them will be daunting for anyone- major breeders will need to spend a deal more in order to go over their entire collection.

You weren't in that situation so I don't think you grasp the scale and costs.
 
I received the DE today.
How a container with 1.13 kilograms containing white powder went through the customs smoothly is simply beyond me... but hey, it's not like I wished for troubles.

I mixed a tenth of a tea-spoon(probably less than that) with 4 CC of water, and gave it to one of the Crypto infected animals.
I am thinking a regiment of twice a week, for a month... and then send a stool sample.
If she stops shedding Occysts, then we're on the right track at the very least.
 
Kokopelli said:
I received the DE today.
How a container with 1.13 kilograms containing white powder went through the customs smoothly is simply beyond me... but hey, it's not like I wished for troubles.

I mixed a tenth of a tea-spoon(probably less than that) with 4 CC of water, and gave it to one of the Crypto infected animals.
I am thinking a regiment of twice a week, for a month... and then send a stool sample.
If she stops shedding Occysts, then we're on the right track at the very least.
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That's very good news it made it without issue. You never know with customs.

That sounds like a very good dosing schedule. I hope they respond well to it.
 
Make sure you are very diligent in cleaning them to prevent re-infection. Hope all goes soomthly
 
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