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Experimenting with Kisatchies

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wikkedkornman

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has anyone ever tried any experimental breeding with kisatchies? like, for instance, kisatchie X amel corn, then breeding those offspring back to each other to see what the results look like. How about kisatchie X creamsicle, then you have all 3 species of corn in 1 snake (perhaps i'd call it an Ultimo Corn?), and you could breed those offspring back to one another.

if anyone has done any experimenting with kisatchies, please post some photos, or atleast descriptions of the offspring.

i've been thinking about working with kisatchies since no one else seems to be . i know they're dull and drab looking, but bred to other corns, who knows what could happen?

anyways, post pics if you got em.
 
I had the same idea of breeding amel into the kisatchi corns, but I haven't been able to start it yet, mainly because I don't have a Kisatchi to start with. Let me know how it goes.
 
wikkedkornman said:
i've been thinking about working with kisatchies since no one else seems to be . i know they're dull and drab looking, but bred to other corns, who knows what could happen?
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I don't think they're dull or drab, they're just better suited to blend into their environment. I really like them, I tend to like the more "natural" look in my snakes.

South Mountain Reptiles has Kisatchies with a metallic hue. I've written to get more info on those. Maybe they've got baird's blood in them?
 
don's kisatchies are pure kisatchie. i spoke to him via email about this. i can't believe he hasn't even experimented with the kisatchies. i know he's busy with alot of other projects though. it looks like this may be a project that i'll have to take up, since apparently no one else has ever bothered to do it. perhaps i'll get a male kisatchie and pair him to a creamsicle or creamsicle motley (i'll call those Ultimo Corns, since they'll have all 3 species of corn in them). maybe i'll get an amel or amel bloodred female to breed him to as well. so many possibilities. anyone got any suggestions of what other morphs i should breed the kisatchie to?
 
I emailed Don, too, and he said that there's no baird's in them. I think I'll get some of his at some point. It would definitely be interesting to see what you come up with! Maybe try a hypo and see if you can make a really nice chocolate colour.
 
My basic thoughts were to breed in amel and anery to try to make a snow kisatchi. I also thought of doing some pattern morphs with them, like motley. I'm also interested in seeing an amel kisatchi. You might think of breeding them with bloodreds too, to get the diffused pattern traits. Just a few ideas I had. Unfortunatley, I don't have the resources to start my own project right now. Post pics of your kisatchi project. I would love to see them.
 
Just out of curiosity....

Why would you want to take a special locality specimen and turn it into a run-of-the-mill normal? In theory, it defeats the whole purpose of the project.
 
wikkedkornman said:
don's kisatchies are pure kisatchie. i spoke to him via email about this. i can't believe he hasn't even experimented with the kisatchies.
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He probably wants to keep his lines pure. I think if you bred them to a regular cornsnake morph such as an amel, you shouldn't call them amel kisatchies but some other name that indicates they may be a (hybrid?) kind of like creamsicles. Personally, I like darker colored animals and would be more intersted in a locality animal than a morph.
 
I'd at least be curious to see what influences they'd bring into other genetic morphs and combinations. Look at the variations that have been brought into amels by mixing in "okeetee" and "miami" and "emoryi" lines.

According to the current classification system, they'd be hybrids, similar to creamsicles. (Kisatchiesicles? :smash: )

I wonder how many more years it will be before they are "discovered" again as a sub-population of corns and redesignated as a subspecies or just lumped in altogether... ;)
 
couldn't think earlier - would integrade have been a better term than hybrid? :dunce:

Kisatchiesicles - I like that. :)
 
I know that there are "purists" out there, but if they would naturally meet in the wild, I personally don't see any problem in breeding corns and kisatchies together. I would like to see an amel kisatchie.
 
I think it is safe to say that the odds of an amel corn and a Kisatchie meeting naturally in the wild are rather..........remote.

I will say that Kisatchiesicle wins the award for the "catchiest name of the day". :spinner:
 
CAV said:
I think it is safe to say that the odds of an amel corn and a Kisatchie meeting naturally in the wild are rather..........remote.
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This is true, but it would apply to all Corns. There hasn’t been many wild caught Amels found in the wild.

I guess this could turn into another Captive Bred (CB) Morph vs. CB Locality debate. To each is own I would say, they both have merit.

How about Kissicles
 
I personally think it's an area that could use some exploring. Given the low red on the Kisatchies, makes me wonder what an amel corn/Kisatchie F2 would look like. Wonder how much yellow is hiding under there. You may end up with a very striking result....or something completely uninteresting. Never know until you try it.

I'm not going to fight the locality vs. mixed morph debate. That's a personal opinion for each individual, not a someone is right/someone is wrong debate.

Although I will say this...if you are going to explore morphs of Corn/Kisatchies, why not pick a more interesting mutation than amel. ;)

:duck:

Kisatchimaciclistics....has a rhythm....
 
ecreipeoj said:
This is true, but it would apply to all Corns. There hasn’t been many wild caught Amels found in the wild.
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That was my point Joe ;)
 
Good grief, what ever happen to shorter is better? I can't even pronounce some of these name suggestions.

How about Kisamels.
 
Here's a thought,

I have been following this thread because of curiosity and I do agree that combining other know color and pattern traits to the Kisatchies could yield some very interesting snakes, but as far as coining names, I think everyone is jumping the gun.

Shouldn't we wait until at least one F2 animal is produced and fully matured, no matter what combination is done, to see what it looks like before coining a name?

I agree with Joe, shorter is better. Maybe the term "Mango" would be the best discription for an Amel. Kisatchie, but we won't know it's appearence until one exists.

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everyone. :idea: Let's produce some of these combinations first, grow them to maturity, then let's play "Name that Snake".

Just a thought,
Walter :wavey:
 
LOL, agreed Walter.

I was joking. It was the "what's the most ridiculous, long, overdone name I can come up with" version of light-hearted sarcasm. ;)

(Still think it has a ring to it, if you can say it.)

Lets see how they turn out in a couple generations. Don't need a name now.
 
Heh heh. I was being sarcastic, since everything that has emoryi in it is a somethingsicle. Hence the :smash: sledge-o-matic.

Hurley's Kiss-ah-chee-muh-sick-liss-tick kept me giggling for quite some time. :D
 
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