Fauna vs. CS.com

[Roy Munson]

IMO this thread is like Asking Jeff Ronne to shut his forums down and simply put up a link to Fauna because because they or any other site has a Boa Section, or vice versa. Joe is not evil at all. And the debate is INTERESTING, but all in the same everyones opinion is not gonna effect what Rich does. It goes into any thread you may have seen on Live VS Frozen and Can I house my corns together? People are going to do whatever they want. Thats a fact of life. Personally I am not a fan of the Viciousness that seems to happen regularly on Fauna, so I CHOOSE not to post there.

Just to clarify, my "mad" emoticon wasn't really directed at anyone in particular. I was just... mad. :grin01:

Are Jeff Ronne's forums sister forums to Fauna? Do they share an owner/admin? If not, then I think this is an apples to oranges comparison.

I doubt that Joe ever thought that this thread was actually going to influence Rich in any way. This topic has been discussed here in the past, and more recently on Fauna, though in an inappropriate forum for the discussion. So he wanted to start a discussion about the topic in an appropriate place-- here. I don't see the problem with that. :shrugs:

 

[Joejr14]

Guys, the point of making the thread was not go gather up opinions and run to my email folder and type out: [email protected] and say hey man, nobody wants the Fauna cornsnakes forum so shut that thing down!

As Dean mentioned, this has come up before---and more recently on the BOI--where it was definitely way out of line, so I figured with this being a discussion forum I would see what everyone else thought, and why they felt that way. I really do not understand why everyone is getting so fiesty about this. Despite what many of you may think, I do not live my day thinking about how I can piss people off---I have better things to do. It was late last night and I really didn't think a poll on the subject would cause that much harm---and after Rich's reply I was really tempted to just close and or delete the thread, because it was obvious nothing good was going to come of it, and from his response it didn't seem like the topic was at all open for discussion.

Nobody is trying to start a war, either. There are only a handful of people, from what I've seen, who regularly post on Fauna's cornsnakes forum. Fauna=BOI, no matter if there are 100's of forums there or not. I know there are active forums over there, but for the vast majority of people they visit Fauna for the BOI, period. I'm a paying member at both websites, and I have tried to post on the cornsnakes forum over there---there's just not enough traffic and I get bored. I do not like waiting days upon days for someone to make another post so the discussion can continue, so I stop posting. I've done the very same on other forums---and eventually stopped because nobody posts.

Perhaps we should just let this thread die?

 

[Roy Munson]

Despite what many of you may think, I do not live my day thinking about how I can piss people off...

Another illusion shattered. What's next? Are you going to tell me that WWE is fixed? :grin01:

 

[Drizzt80]

I don't understand why Joe's so evil just because he's soliciting opinions. And if this thread is pointless, then so what? Three quarters of the threads here are pointless. This thread has been more interesting than the myriad "give me answers cuz I'm too lazy to do my own research" threads opened here every bleeping day (imho).

Dean, agreed on part A. I still view this thread as valuable and interesting in the sense of the discussion of opinions and feelings.

Disagreed part B. Serp made a post several months back concerning the "give me answers posts" vs research. Quite honestly, he really changed my mind with that post, and I've remembered it since. I used to be in the same 'camp' as your comments indicate - the 'did you use the search tool?' camp. We have all congregated here to learn. You can only learn via asking questions, and others have to answer them. Concerning the 'give me answers' threads, you get to choose to both read that thread and to answer or not. Pretty simple really. That's the change I feel I've taken myself in regards to those threads, I can educate or ignore . . . or tell them to go use the search button (which I don't do any more!) . . .

D80

 

[Mary-Beth]

Despite what many of you may think, I do not live my day thinking about how I can piss people off---I have better things to do.

Come on now Joe, there's no fooling us. You're as evil as a hibird!
:grin01:

 

[Serpwidgets]

Another illusion shattered. What's next? Are you going to tell me that WWE is fixed? :grin01:

Shh, nobody tell him about the Easter Bunny, Santa, or the Tooth Fairy! :grin01:

 

[Tom Tuttle]

I use both sites and kingsnake.com as well. I have many other species in my collection as do many other people. It's nice to have choices,that is why I was proud to serve my country, and proud to be a VN Vet.
If you don't care for other sites you have the choice to not use it. :cheers:

 

[Roy Munson]

You can only learn via asking questions, and others have to answer them.

And I agree with everything you wrote, except this. I came here to learn, and I did a whole bunch of that. But there were a zillion questions that I didn't have to start question threads on, because the answers had already been given here dozens of times. I question someone's committment to their animals when they are unwilling to do any research themselves. If you couldn't resist that cute li'l snakie you bought the weekend before last, but you still don't know anything about feeding and temps today, I don't have a lot of respect for you as a corn enthusiast.

And anyway, I never said that these lazy people had no right to post basic corns 101 questions here. I only said that I find those threads less interesting than this thread. Heck, I answer those threads sometimes. And other times I bark: "use the search function!" The lazy people can post their way, and I'll post mine. Live and let live. But I reserve the right to complain about it if I want to.

 

[BeckyG]

Shh, nobody tell him about the Easter Bunny, Santa, or the Tooth Fairy! :grin01:

WHAT?!?!?! They aren't REAL????? I'm crushed!



:grin01:

 

[Taceas]

I don't think this thread is pointless. If anything, it gets it out in the open as to why the Fauna's cornsnake forum is empty and why people congregate here. Most of the time you don't know those sorts of things until they're asked. And if you thought it was so pointless, why post your opinion?

Do I think the Fauna's Cornsnake forum should be shut down? I don't see any reason to keep it active in its current state. Like others have said, its basically a dead-zone. It's a nice gesture to help, but a near-sighted gesture at best. But ya know what, that's MY opinion. So what if my neighbor likes pink peonies and I like white, et cetera.

There is so much that this site in general offers that plainly beats any community on Fauna. Friendliness, commraderie, etc. I like to think that over here we can discuss things without such venom, and that's what sets us apart from other forums. But apparently some folks carry that "Fauna mentality" over here, where its not well received or tolerated.

And I also do not get the "I have more than just corns" argument. So what? So do I. The only thing I ever use Fauna for is the BOI, the majority of the other forums are all war mongering/backstabbing folks or dead for the most part. I prefer go to a well established forum for that particular animal, as it seems to have better results with activity and friendliness.

Personally I am not a fan of the Viciousness that seems to happen regularly on Fauna, so I CHOOSE not to post there.

And how funny that I post a polite as I can possibly be post on exactly why I don't like some aspects of the BOI on the BOI, and am verbally attacked by a member from this forum for my opinion. And very unprofessionally for that matter.

Everyone else seems fit to interject their BS posts on the BOI regardless of having done business with the person in question or not. So why am I not entitled to my opinion? Not enough posts? Not enough karma power? Not a moderator? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

I think everyone is so afraid to speak up against the "$10 Brigade" that things have lost some levity over there. If I was so out of tune in posting, why did I get a couple of PM's and a few e-mails from people thanking me for speaking my mind on the matter, because they felt the same way. I try not to let more superior members cow-tow me into being quiet, I lived that way for 7 years and never again.

For the most part I will not post on a BOI thread about someone who I have never done business with to tell them how to make the situation right. I try not to meddle in other people's affairs. I'll read the thread, sure. But that's what my 'vision' of the BOI is. A bulletin board of people's dealings for others to guage whether or not to do business in the future with a company. Nothing more, nothing less.

I happened to post on that particular thread because:

A) I fully intend to do business with MGReptiles in the near coming future
B) It's redundant to post 8 PM's to tell people that how they're acting is really low and baseless from my POV, and standing up to them seems to have a greater effect
C) It seemed like a good idea at the time

Those are simply my opinions. Holding such an opinion doesn't make me "vehemently opposed to Fauna" or any such ridiculous characterization. I resent attempts to paint CS members as such, in an attempt to gain sympathy and/or generate publicity.

My sentiments exactly. I never ONCE said I was against Fauna or the BOI. In principle, its a great tool. But some situations do not belong over there for a variety of reasons. For example, I never posted about my Frank Pinello deal went sour. Why not? Because I feel it was a great misunderstanding and I wanted to give him every benefit of the doubt.

I never saw the point to run off and post about petty things only to ruin their reputation before you give them a chance to make it right in private. That's not the way I was brought up, maybe its a Midwestern value thing, I dunno. But it sorely seems to be missing these days.

For some insights into my mentality...completely off-topic in a way...

I just ordered some tea online the other day, got my order yesterday. Some wiseacre thought that putting a loop of tape between the cardboard padding and the plug-style lid in the tin was a good idea. Well they'd changed it since I last ordered so I pull off the cardboard and *poof*, I had a 1/4 cup of $20/lb tea on the floor.

I e-mailed them an hour or so later to let them know that maybe it isn't such a good idea. They told me they would discontinue the practice as I wasn't the only one and they offered me a refund or a new tin of tea, and I declined. I didn't run off to the BBB to say they're bad for over-taping a tea tin.

I also didn't run off to file a formal complaint when I bought a 4-pack of lightbulbs from Wal-mart and come home...and none of them worked. I just took it back and told them what happened and I got a new package. Simple enough.

So please, stop reading so much into what I have said, because it simply isn't there. The problem with grasping at straws is that they cannot hold you.

 

[TandJ]

A few members nailed it on the head, and drove it home on way I choose to stay here and not go over yonder. Granted this is not the only board I post on in regards to Corn's, but indeed this is the one site where I feel a sense of community. Over there I sense it has a lot to do with cliques, your eithier with them or your an out cast when repercusions likely.

We might argue and fuss amongst our selfs here, but we will also take care of each other. Sincerely, I mean well, even if I come across as a pompus wanker from time to time, and you would be right, but IMHO I like this place and I like the people here generally. Best regards..

Tim of T and J

 

[Hurley]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Taceas again.

If I could, I would. Well said.

 

[Susan]

I must admit, I'm a little surprised by Rich's tone in his reply. As Joe said, this subject has been brought up several times in various places...including by Rich himself. We all know that only Rich can decide what he will do with his forums, and personally, I don't think getting rid of the Fauna cornsnake forum is a viable option. True, it doesn't get the traffic, but it's good starting point for someone looking for info. And the link to CS.com sends those who actually care to the right place. But on the off chance that Rich does eventually want to make some sort of change to either/any forum...an opinion poll with all these replies might come in handy to help him make a decision. Just my humble opinion.

 

[Drizzt80]

I came here to learn, and I did a whole bunch of that. But there were a zillion questions that I didn't have to start question threads on, because the answers had already been given here dozens of times.

Exactly, you asked the questions, and found the answers yourself. Guess what? Me too!

I question someone's committment to their animals when they are unwilling to do any research themselves. If you couldn't resist that cute li'l snakie you bought the weekend before last, but you still don't know anything about feeding and temps today, I don't have a lot of respect for you as a corn enthusiast.

And anyway, I never said that these lazy people had no right to post basic corns 101 questions here. I only said that I find those threads less interesting than this thread. Heck, I answer those threads sometimes. And other times I bark: "use the search function!" The lazy people can post their way, and I'll post mine. Live and let live. But I reserve the right to complain about it if I want to.

Preaching to the choir there! :crazy02: That's where I learn whose threads I don't even bother checking in on. I use the 'New Posts' function, and from the 50-100 new posts that come up, I may open up a dozen or so that catch my interest. (Espcially if Joe has posted, you know he's a rabble rouser! :sidestep: )

I think were on the same street, just coming from different directions.
D80

 

[Joejr14]

(Espcially if Joe has posted, you know he's a rabble rouser! :sidestep: )
D80

Yeah yeah yeah. :wavey:

 

[KelliH]

There is so much that this site in general offers that plainly beats any community on Fauna. Friendliness, commraderie, etc. I like to think that over here we can discuss things without such venom, and that's what sets us apart from other forums. But apparently some folks carry that "Fauna mentality" over here, where its not well received or tolerated.

Fauna=BOI, no matter if there are 100's of forums there or not. I know there are active forums over there, but for the vast majority of people they visit Fauna for the BOI, period.

Have you ever checked out the Leopard Gecko Forum over on Fauna? It's pretty darn active. Know why? Because someone cared enough to want it to be, and worked to make it so. The gal that is modding the cs forum over on Fauna, kudos to her for trying to make something out of nothing!

Oh, BTW, excuse me for the "Fauna Mentality" LOL whatever that may be. :shrugs:

Take care, "guttataphiles"!

 

[CornCrazy]

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Taceas again.

If I could, I would. Well said.

I've got you covered this time, Connie! (I actually gave some rep before I saw this post of yours, though).

 

[Serpwidgets]

Have you ever checked out the Leopard Gecko Forum over on Fauna? It's pretty darn active. Know why? Because someone cared enough to want it to be, and worked to make it so. The gal that is modding the cs forum over on Fauna, kudos to her for trying to make something out of nothing!

So Kelli, if I were to start up a Leopard Gecko forum on this board and go over to the Leo forums on Fauna to recruit members, you would also be applauding my effort to make something out of nothing, right?

 

[KelliH]

So Kelli, if I were to start up a Leopard Gecko forum on this board and go over to the Leo forums on Fauna to recruit members, you would also be applauding my effort to make something out of nothing, right?

Well frankly, I couldn't care less. Any reason why I should?

 

[jazzgeek]

So Kelli, if I were to start up a Leopard Gecko forum on this board and go over to the Leo forums on Fauna to recruit members, you would also be applauding my effort to make something out of nothing, right?

I don't think the analogy fits, given that this is a species-specific forum, whereas Fauna covers a broader spectrum. Maybe if you went over to beardeddragons.org and attempted to promote the Fauna beardie forum, it'd make more sense.

regards,
jazz