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Feeding live?

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allmote

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Well ive been reading around on here for awhile and I get why most of you hate feeding live. But why say its wrong if its done responsibly?

I feed live and done it for a long time and will continue to do so. I just dont see how people are so agianst what snakes do naturaly. I mean I guess is what im saying is its prolly safer for little Billy to stay home when dad goes hunting but he will never learn.

I prolly would feed frozen or prekilled but its to much trouble and I watch for constriction and keep teeth away from my snakes. Accidents happen ive had 2 snakes bitten one when I was young and stupid and left mouse in over night and another time was just a crazy mouse that met some crazier oscars.

Maybe im just ranting but I just dont see how knocking people down for feeding live and saying its wrong while we slap house flys and dont wash ower hands at some point in our lives.
 
I have two 3 1/2 year old corns and have them for about 2 months now and they also both feed on live mice, my partner watches all the time to make sure that the snake has killed the mice properly and that their is no risk of the mouse doing any harm.

Both are taking out of their vivariums and put in feeding tubs and to be quite honest the mice dont know anything about it they are put in and within seconds they are always dead.

I also have a 11 month old but she is still on frozen pinkies.

I breed my own mice and for me it is so much easier whenever the snakes are hungry I can just go and get one and not have to go out looking for some from pet shops as they are in no where near as good a condition as mine.
 
The reason it isn't recommended on here is the chance something could go wrong. There is no way you could be fast enough to stop a bite, it would be over with in a second.
Lets look at this a different way. People on here have snakes worth a lot of money, some are specials for up coming breeding projects. I have a few snakes worth over $500 and a project on going with the male worth over $900. Would you take a chance on harm coming to them or would you try to keep the snakes as healthy and safe as possible. As you've already said you've had accidents. And by the very meaning of the word accident, they are un planned and un foreseen. We bang on about live feeders because they all sing from the same song sheet, I watch them, I am ready, it's natural etc. but they never offer any proof, just opinion. When it goes wrong think about what was told you...As it never goes wrong for me....
 
Joel- they both said they fed live because it's easier. No one believes they can't act fast enough to stop a bite. I wouldn't knowingly put my snake in a potentially dangerous situation, but I guess some people just want to do what's easiest.
 
Easiest...righttttt
As if taking mice out of the freezer and putting them in hot water for 15 minutes is so damn difficult.
 
allmote said:
Well ive been reading around on here for awhile and I get why most of you hate feeding live. But why say its wrong if its done responsibly?

I feed live and done it for a long time and will continue to do so. I just dont see how people are so agianst what snakes do naturaly. I mean I guess is what im saying is its prolly safer for little Billy to stay home when dad goes hunting but he will never learn.

I prolly would feed frozen or prekilled but its to much trouble and I watch for constriction and keep teeth away from my snakes. Accidents happen ive had 2 snakes bitten one when I was young and stupid and left mouse in over night and another time was just a crazy mouse that met some crazier oscars.

Maybe im just ranting but I just dont see how knocking people down for feeding live and saying its wrong while we slap house flys and dont wash ower hands at some point in our lives.
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So let's see....
You have had snakes bitten by their prey, but will continue to feed live because it's "easier". That tells me you are lazy and selfish and your snakes welfare matters less to you than doing whatever's easiest.

You allowed a frightened mouse that had fought for its life to be torn apart by fish because it had bitten your snake. (Of course the mouse had bitten your snake because you are too lazy and selfish to feed thawed). That tells me you have no compassion and tortured an animal that was just trying to live.

And then you babble on about slapping houseflys (an instant death for those germ carriers, and how can you compare an insect to a warmblooded animal anyway) and not washing your hands.....as if those things are related to feeding live prey to your snake.
 
starsevol said:
Easiest...righttttt
As if taking mice out of the freezer and putting them in hot water for 15 minutes is so damn difficult.
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Are you saying it's harder to either make a trip to the petstore every time you want to feed your snake, or maintain a colony of rodents with all their wants and needs than to just whip out a credit card and call The Mouse Factory? Come on!
 
Sure, in the wild they eat live prey.

This is far fromthe wild.
I've said it recently but I'll say it again. As long as the snake doesn't flat out refuse frozen, I believe its our duty as pet owners, keeping them in this unusual environment, to keep them as safe as possible. That includes knowingly introducing dangerous elements.
 
I've borrowed this picture, hope the owner doesn't mind. This picture was taken by another guy who thought he was smarter than everyone else. You can feed live without a problem most of the time. But everyonce in a while, you loose!
 

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Nanci said:
Are you saying it's harder to either make a trip to the petstore every time you want to feed your snake, or maintain a colony of rodents with all their wants and needs than to just whip out a credit card and call The Mouse Factory? Come on!
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Nanci, that was sarcasm. I am a sarcastic cow before I've had my coffee :) (and sometimes after!)
 
allmote said:
I feed live and done it for a long time and will continue to do so. I just dont see how people are so agianst what snakes do naturaly.
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I don't hate live feeding, but I'm not a big fan of it either.

We're not against what snakes do naturally, but yours is a pet snake and isn't kept in natural surroundings, is it? In the wild, the mouse has a chance to escape, albeit it's a rare one, but it's a chance. In captivity, the mouse is trapped, and has no way of escaping unless you personally take it out and allow it to live another day.

It's a lot safer and more humane for both animals to feed F/T, and if your snake will accept F/T, why take the risk? To satisfy some sick urge? It just seems a little selfish to me when there are better, and (IMO) easier routes to take, especially if you only have one snake.
 
I'm fairly sure that picture above was from a rather large RAT and not a mouse.

A mouse might rarely get in a lucky bite but I don't think you'd see that kind of damage.

I'm not completely against feeding live on occasion, but the argument that it's "natural" is just ridiculous. They are not in a natural environment. In nature, the mouse and more importantly, the SNAKE, has the option of escape.
 
I'm sorry 'allmote', I'm don't get your point in the thread. Prolly cuz i only had 1/2 cup coffee. Do you really think we are as lazy as you or should be and feed our snakes live. Come on that's even to hard I raise my snakes next to my mouse colony there is connecting tube on feeding day for snakes or mice however you look at it I just open the gate and there ya go no muss, no fuss. It's really the best when the majority of mama mice have babies they're protecting.
 
This is my point..........People flame because they read in some book or say its not worth it. I find it easier yes its kinda exhuasting to thaw out some mice when you own 38 snakes.

The flaming is uncalled for on the subject. Weather you think its right or not there is no reason to say the things said. So because I feed live I dont care for my snakes? That makes no sence and is complete hog wash. The hobby is going down the crapper because people are so fast to jump on peoples case over stupid stuff.

People will say what ever they please but just because I dont jump off the bridge after you doesnt make you better then me. I see your points but I dont hear you. Yes I understand if you have a couple snakes its safer because you prolly dont have the know how and somthing bad could happen. But to say sombody that has been doing it half their life they are wrong? Or dont care? Yeah thats stupid when you have prolly been doing it for 6 months and own a hatchling.

Why so quick to jump on people? Because they disagree? Most of the replys on this forum are people teaming up a new members and the oldys that have been around for a while have to settle them down because it gets out of hand. Just because people do stuff differently doesnt make it wrong nobody knows exactly how to keep any snake so there is NO right way.

As long as the snakes are happy and the owner is happy whats wrong with the situation? Other then you disagree and think they are wrong?
 
Snake Dave said:
I don't hate live feeding, but I'm not a big fan of it either.

We're not against what snakes do naturally, but yours is a pet snake and isn't kept in natural surroundings, is it? In the wild, the mouse has a chance to escape, albeit it's a rare one, but it's a chance. In captivity, the mouse is trapped, and has no way of escaping unless you personally take it out and allow it to live another day.

It's a lot safer and more humane for both animals to feed F/T, and if your snake will accept F/T, why take the risk? To satisfy some sick urge? It just seems a little selfish to me when there are better, and (IMO) easier routes to take, especially if you only have one snake.
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Its selfish to not freeze 1000s of mice and then defrost them for my snakes a year? Ok yeah its stupid I think and nope will never feed frozen or prekilled unless I just got a slow snake. But then agian see me thinking about the snake and his feeding response while feeding live. I am intrested to see people that acctually own BIG collections come I here and say they feed frozen........AND you all buy your snakes from these people..

I dought if half my snakes even look at frozen and im not leaving a decomposing mouse in my snakes cage because I thinks thats sick and wrong.
 
allmote said:
This is my point..........People flame because they read in some book or say its not worth it. I find it easier yes its kinda exhuasting to thaw out some mice when you own 38 snakes.

The flaming is uncalled for on the subject. Weather you think its right or not there is no reason to say the things said. So because I feed live I dont care for my snakes? That makes no sence and is complete hog wash. The hobby is going down the crapper because people are so fast to jump on peoples case over stupid stuff.

People will say what ever they please but just because I dont jump off the bridge after you doesnt make you better then me. I see your points but I dont hear you. Yes I understand if you have a couple snakes its safer because you prolly dont have the know how and somthing bad could happen. But to say sombody that has been doing it half their life they are wrong? Or dont care? Yeah thats stupid when you have prolly been doing it for 6 months and own a hatchling.

Why so quick to jump on people? Because they disagree? Most of the replys on this forum are people teaming up a new members and the oldys that have been around for a while have to settle them down because it gets out of hand. Just because people do stuff differently doesnt make it wrong nobody knows exactly how to keep any snake so there is NO right way.

As long as the snakes are happy and the owner is happy whats wrong with the situation? Other then you disagree and think they are wrong?
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I am no "newbie". I have owned snakes 13 years. I currently own 29, soon to be 32 or more, depending on what I end up keeping this year. Thawing 29 mice REALLY is no big deal. I imagine thawing 38 mice isn't so tough...unless of course you can't COUNT to 38.
Personally, I don't give a rat's azz whether you've been doing it all your life, or not. Doing something stupid for eons doesn't make it any less stupid...
 
allmote said:
Its selfish to not freeze 1000s of mice and then defrost them for my snakes a year? Ok yeah its stupid I think and nope will never feed frozen or prekilled unless I just got a slow snake. But then agian see me thinking about the snake and his feeding response while feeding live. I am intrested to see people that acctually own BIG collections come I here and say they feed frozen........AND you all buy your snakes from these people..

I dought if half my snakes even look at frozen and im not leaving a decomposing mouse in my snakes cage because I thinks thats sick and wrong.
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I know someone I've bought snakes from with 84 snakes. Is that a BIG enough collection for you? And except for a very few (I can think of 2), they all eat thawed food.

I'm trying to figure out if you're a moron, or just a troll (and I'm not the only one). I really HOPE you're just a troll. Sad example of humanity if you're for real.
 
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