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first pippie ever but what is it??

Cat_Eyed_Lady

Cat_Eyed_Lady

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I bred a candycane male with me female ( I have been told now she is an anery) and I got this baby. It looks to be an Ultramel to me but his saddles are a mahogany color and many many saddles. Is it an Ultramel or is it something else?? Its eyes are a ruby/blue color if that helps any. Thanks :)
 

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You've got a cutie there.

I'd strongly suggest that you do more genetics research and general research before you decide to breed again.
 
Looks like a hypo to me... Both parents being het or homo for hypo would seem more likley than being het for ultra.
 
Actually, that could very well be ultramel. Your candycane is an amel. And if your anery is het ultra, since ultra and amel appear to share the same locus, this would produce ultramel. Your baby could sure be ultramel het anery. Good Luck!
 
I don't think that's an ultramel, partly because of what tula_montage said, and partly because it doesn't quite look like one to me. I would say hypo as well. It's more reasonable and fits the coloration, as far as I can tell.
 
jmksnakes - A good suggestion, but a snake cant be het for ultramel because ultramel is allele to amel, so it could be het for amel.

I also am hesitant to say that it is a hypo because I've never heard of or seen a hypo with red eyes. They should still have the black pigment that would give them the usual black iris, but maybe you've just got one really weird snake lol. To be honest I'm clueless... It looks like a really oddly colored amel to me... I guess if the candy cane had the ultramel gene and the anery was het for amel you might have gotten a very dark colored ultramel, but I would look more into and do more research on what the parents are first.
 
Pruddock "A good suggestion, but a snake cant be het for ultramel because ultramel is allele to amel, so it could be het for amel."

No, no. :headbang: I said het ultra. The anery could be het ultra. Therefore, amel sharing the ultra gene between parents... would produce ultramel.
 
it is a odd looking baby and that is where the confusion for me comes in. Well, I have asked Rich about the genetics for the male but the female was store bought so that ends there.

The coloring of the baby (he was only 1 day old in the pic) is rich red/brown saddles with a ghostly gray around them and yellow/orange spots between the saddles. And of course the red/blue eyes. The belly scales are very few but the ones that are there are a barely there gray color.

as for learning more before I breed again... This breeding didnt happen at my house... had 2 of my snakes housed elsewhere... and They thought it was fine to have a male in with the females so... this wasnt My mistake but I am doing the best I can with what I have now. :)
 
Looks like a standard hypo A to me, but I'd like to see a larger, clearer photo of its ruby/blue eyes. Here's a hypo (het blood) that I recently hatched, and the coloration is very similar, except for the irises.
 

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I will keep trying.... I will have a helper this afternoon so maybe I can have it in some natural light? I will post a pic of the eyes as soon as I can... belly too if I can get a pic.
 
Jrgh17 said:
You've got a cutie there.

I'd strongly suggest that you do more genetics research and general research before you decide to breed again.
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Why? The only important thing about breeding is making sure you can find good homes for the babies. Alot of people including me don't care what hatches out aslong as it is health. Color isn't important.

The only reason genetics is important is if one of your animals had a genetic defect you didn't want, such as kinks.
 
Kevin McRae said:
Why? The only important thing about breeding is making sure you can find good homes for the babies. Alot of people including me don't care what hatches out aslong as it is health. Color isn't important.
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Yeah, but the original poster doesn't seem to share your disregard for color. If she did, then why would she have posted this thread at all?

Maybe Jrgh17 should have qualified his advice:

"I'd strongly suggest that you do more genetics research and general research before you decide to breed again if you are interested in knowing the morphs you're hatching."
 
ok, this is about the best I can do for now.. sorry if the pics are too big but Roy did say he wanted to see a bigger one. Hope they are good enough. If not?? I will keep trying and trying :) I just appreciate all the help :)
 

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now that I have unexpected babies... I do care. alot. but also, if I do sell my babies I would like to be able to tell the buy what exactly they are too.
 
Roy Munson said:
Yeah, but the original poster doesn't seem to share your disregard for color. If she did, then why would she have posted this thread at all?

Maybe Jrgh17 should have qualified his advice:

"I'd strongly suggest that you do more genetics research and general research before you decide to breed again if you are interested in knowing the morphs you're hatching."
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A bit off topic, but it is my personal belief that you should know about genetics if you're are breeding, even if you don't care about the color of the snake. Even if you don't give a crud about any of it, I personally believe there is some moral responsibility to know everything about an animal which you are bringing into the world and with whose care you are charged.

As far as I know, this doesn't occur in corns, but in some animals, crossing two albinos is fatal. In cats, crossing two manx cats can be fatal. In some animals, unknowledgeable crosses lead to mental and physical deformities. Since genetics play an extremely important role in breeding, I personally consider it the responsibility of any breeder to know about the traits of the animals. And plus, it's just good business to be able to tell people exactly what they're getting from you, including hets.

*End my two cents*
 
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