first pippie ever but what is it??

[kev1144]

jesus christ good thing I read this, I was about to mate my manx cats



the thought of me owning cats makes me feel dirty, i'm going to shower now

 

[Pruddock]

I agree now...its definitly a hypo...

 

[Roy Munson]

ok, this is about the best I can do for now.. sorry if the pics are too big but Roy did say he wanted to see a bigger one. Hope they are good enough. If not?? I will keep trying and trying I just appreciate all the help

Those don't look much like standard hypoA eyes now do they? The snake has fairly decent borders too... I'm starting to lean toward ultramel myself. However, I'll have to fall back on the old cop out: only breeding trials will tell. I don't think you're going to be able to put a definitive label on this one. But don't feel bad, the biggest breeders can't always tell HypoA from Ultra/Ultramel either.

...I personally believe there is some moral responsibility to know everything about an animal which you are bringing into the world and with whose care you are charged.

That's a tall order! :grin01: But I know what you mean. But that's "perfect world" stuff, and you can't get too wrapped up in that.

 

[Joejr14]

Ultra is ultramel...you can be het for amel but not for ultra...at least I have never seen it and I have been corrected on the same thing before.

Ultra is not ultramel. A snake can in fact be het for ultra, but not het for ultramel. Het for ultramel (ie having one ultra gene and having one amel gene) produces the ultramel phenotype.

 

[Roy Munson]

Ultra is ultramel...you can be het for amel but not for ultra...at least I have never seen it and I have been corrected on the same thing before.

Ultra is not ultramel. Ultras are homozygous for ultra, having two ultra alleles at the amel/ultra locus. Ultramels are het for both ultra and amel, having one of each allele at the amel/ultra locus. Amel and ultra are codominant at that locus. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that a snake can't be het for a codom trait. But think about it-- if there are two alleles of a gene at a locus, the snake is homozygous for the gene (homo = same). If only one allele of a gene exists at a particular locus, the snake is heterozygous for that gene (hetero = different).

 

[Pruddock]

Ok...thats what I originally thought, but I was corrected by somebody else and I always try to take the back seat on these things because to be honest...there are so many genes that I get confused with what is what and there are so many genes with multiple names that it drives me nuts. Thank you for clarifying for me.

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

yes, the borders are very clean and nice Thanks But you can see why I was abit confused? Just a very odd looking baby.. beautiful but defies being pigeon holed LOL Well, as I said before I never planned on breeding but now that I have been apart of it and I really enjoy watching the babies come out.. Ya just never know.... might give it a try again Thanks for the input Roy on the others.... thanks for most but some? well, I will just say that sometimes ppl should really know someone before speaking about them and the care they take of their animals

 

[jaxom1957]

Looks like a standard hypo A to me, but I'd like to see a larger, clearer photo of its ruby/blue eyes. Here's a hypo (het blood) that I recently hatched, and the coloration is very similar, except for the irises.

Sweet looking hypo het blood. I like the combo

 

[coloradoflower31]

jesus christ good thing I read this, I was about to mate my manx cats



the thought of me owning cats makes me feel dirty, i'm going to shower now

Manx kittens and Manx Syndrome.
Responsible breeders of the Manx breed will not let kittens leave their cattery unless the kittens are at least four months old. This is to greatly reduce the possibility of Manx Syndrome being present in any kittens they sell.

Manx Syndrome is a defect caused by the Manx gene, it is this gene that is responsible for the taillessness in the Manx breed. Sometimes the gene also results in a shortening of the spine, causing a gap in the last few vertebrae or vertebrae fused together. Bowel and bladder problems are often present in kittens with the syndrome.

Usually any problems show up in the first month of a Manx Syndrome kitten but can sometimes not show until later, by the age of four months the breeder will be sure that the kitten does not have the syndrome.

Breeding between two tailless Manx cats greatly increases the chances of Manx Syndrome being present in a litter. Breeders of Manx usually make sure that a longy (tailed) is bred in at frequent intervals, to decrease the risk.

If a kitten does not have Manx Syndrome it should go on to live a long and healthy life, in fact Manx are generally robust felines and if properly cared for and not overfed, many will live to 16 years or beyond.

 

[coloradoflower31]

Sorry

I meant to reply to Kev not everyone

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

To the breeders... Do you think this hatchling was overly small?? It might seem dumb but I have never seen a baby right out of the egg.. only gotten them after a few feedings. These look small to me. healthy, active and everything else good but seem very small to me. Could it be that its because of a first time mom or maybe the fact they started hatching at 50 days (which I beleive is pretty normal) or both? I am sure they will be able to eat the pinks I have but wanted someone else's opinion is all

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

I meant to reply to Kev not everyone

I took it that way as well no worries coloradoflower my reply was directed towards what I took as a somewhat personal attack towards myself and how I care for my animals. I had over 400 birds at one time Plus all my other animals and it was ME the vet was calling for advice on birds.. so, I am no dummy... but I do beleive everyone has the right to ask questions and learn without being somewhat bashed for their husbandry skills or being told their not responsible

 

[coloradoflower31]

Beautiful snake

I don't comment too much, because I am new to the snake thing as of last year, but I know about cats more. I have Selu and amel. I think your snake is beautiful and there is nothing shameful about coming it to the world unplanned. I bought a book on cornsnake morphs but it is much more complicated than I thought. I haven't quite got it all figured out yet so lots of times I just come here and read, but sometimes leave more confused!

 

[coloradoflower31]

Ugh

I always forget about the spell check...sorry

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

LOL I am the same way I try really hard to learn but sometimes when it gets abit complex I just kinda shake my head and wonder what in the world I have gotten myself into LOL I have had snakes for many years now.. but only as pets. This breeding thing was kinda thrust upon me so.. I am trying to learn because I really want to do the best I can for my animals and any future customers I will have. I have a great rep around here with animals and I dont want to ruin it by saying "I dont know" to something I Should know

Dont worry about spell check with me... I can read typo very well

 

[coloradoflower31]

I agree with you

I would have been hard for me not to have taken that comment offensively as well. I was under the impression that this site was for learning and helpful advice. It is obvious to me that you are an animal lover as well. I understand totally that you would like to be able to identify the corn. I am also certain that you are doing the best you can in the situation that you are in. Would it be possible for you to keep the baby if you don't get a definite answer on what it is?

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

hehe well.... I have a total of 7 now.... clutchmates... I ended up with all of them looking like this. So, I will be keeping a couple and my mother would like atleast one because the father is one of her snakes. Not sure I will be able to keep them all. I just ordered 9 from Rich and 2 from Carol so.... with those 11 and what I have already? Its too many but I will be keeping a couple to maybe try to do as Roy said and do a future breeding with them.

 

[coloradoflower31]

Wow

wow that's a lot...and my husband says our zoo is full! If you find out what it is, let me know. I am trying to get them all down.

You can see the only picture of mine from Sept 2006
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41714

I need to get a more recent picture posted since he is now over two feet long!

I doubt if anyone would say he was anything special (just an amel), but he sure is special to me.

Good luck with all your new babies!

 

[Cat_Eyed_Lady]

every pet is something special and thanks

 

[Susan]

hehe well.... I have a total of 7 now.... clutchmates... I ended up with all of them looking like this. So, I will be keeping a couple and my mother would like atleast one because the father is one of her snakes. Not sure I will be able to keep them all. I just ordered 9 from Rich and 2 from Carol so.... with those 11 and what I have already? Its too many but I will be keeping a couple to maybe try to do as Roy said and do a future breeding with them.

You bred your candy cane to your anery and all the resulting babies look like this....sounds like your "anery" is actually a ghost and your candy cane is also homozygous hypo. A photo of the "anery" is in order. The chances of them all being ultramels is not as great as the chances of the parents being homozygous hypo. And I don't see anything "odd" about the eye color. Here's a hypo with bluish irises: