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Frozen mice: Hole in their chest?

starsevol said:
patm, sounds like you just read this thread and "regurged" it.....
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I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds funny as heck. :rofl:

I know all of the killing methods, but I have never heard of deaath by piearced heart in feeders. It just seems like too much work.
 
toyah said:
With older animals, ice crystals forming while the animal is conscious means that freezing is a painful and horrific death, but with new pinkies they are so small that unconsciousness occurs before the crystals have time to be created, so freezing is humane for them.
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patm1313 said:
Freezing live pinkies is no problem, as they are almost immediatley unconcious, so that ice crystals can form without them feeling pain. C02 works great on older mice
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Was there something wrong with the way I phrased it, patm1313, that it needed to be resaid? Just I am assuming that you've reworded that part of my post for a reason ...
 
toyah said:
Was there something wrong with the way I phrased it, patm1313, that it needed to be resaid? Just I am assuming that you've reworded that part of my post for a reason ...
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I either missed your post or was just naming all of the killing methods I know. Sorry.

-Patm1313
 
patm1313 said:
I either missed your post or was just naming all of the killing methods I know. Sorry.

-Patm1313
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You don't know what your intention was?!?

Personally, I'm seeing a lot of this from you. You just collect information from other sources, and then spew it out. :shrugs: If you don't have experience or don't know, you don't need to say anything. Give your "submit reply" button a rest.
 
starsevol said:
patm, sounds like you just read this thread and "regurged" it.....
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patm1313 said:
All pro breeders either use c02, flash freezing, or normal freezing. Freezing live pinkies is no problem, as they are almost immediatley unconcious, so that ice crystals can form without them feeling pain. C02 works great on older mice, and especially in large quantities. Flash freezing: You probably can't do many mice at a time, bt it is humane, and some companies even boast that flash freezing preserves them better.

I'm not really worried about the holes, as I have already fed them to my snake.
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So your Now an expert at rodent breeding and euthanization of rodents?
http://www.iacuc.ucsf.edu/Policies/awGlEuthR.asp
 
starsevol, Nanci, toyah, Jrgh17, jazzgeek, Lennycorn, tricksterpup!

For some reason I cannot give out rep points in the feeder forum, but you all Sooo deserve some!
 
Hey patm1313, or is it 18 or 13+13:shrugs:. I was looking at your geek page, do you deal with MB reptiles are they decent to deal with?????
 
patm1313 said:
Nope. Not anywhere close. But I have read up on the methods.
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So funny, I can't rep on here either, I wish I could! How could anyone reword someone's post without realising? I do hope the consecutive regurging isn't a habit for too long:rofl:
 
susang said:
Hey patm1313, or is it 18 or 13+13:shrugs:. I was looking at your geek page, do you deal with MB reptiles are they decent to deal with?????
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It's 13+13. My favorite number is 13, as I was born on Firday the 13th. I was going to use Patm13, but I wanted it to be like my other accounts about the web, and made it patm1313.

If MB Reptiles is my friend, then I guess I accidentaly added them. I have never doubt with them, though I'm sure a thread could be started about them.
 
toyah said:
It would need to be a HUGE syringe to leave a hole big enough for you to notice in the heart. When injections to the heart are given as part of the euthanisation process (for pets, not feeders), they tend to be given with very fine gauge insulin syringes ... certainly not going to leave enough of a mark for you to notice through the fur!
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Since I was foprced to read this thread, I must make a bit of a correction. Any euthanasia solution I have used, or seen used, in the past 25+ years as a veterinary technician is actually a fairly thick solution that would be almost impossible to get through a very fine gauge needle found on insulin syringes. They are usually 25 gauge and the gauge of preference for euthanasia solution is 20 gauge for dogs and cats and even larger for livestock. In the rare instance that you have to deal with a very small vein, a 22 gauge needle can be used, but you are also using much less of the solution usually in those cases.
 
I had two older breeder mice that I needed to put down--one had a skin issue and the other had a huge lump on its head that made its eye dry out. Anyway, I didn't want to feed them to the snakes since I wasn't sure what was wrong, but I didn't want to just let them die. I bought some dry ice and put it on one side of a small plastic rubbermaid and let it sit for a couple of minutes. When I put the mice in, they "fell asleep" almost immediately. They didn't even stand up! I was amazed at how quick it was and felt that it was probably the most humane way that they could go.

I've heard of other people doing it essentially the same way, but with CO2 canisters.
 
nlt71 said:
I had two older breeder mice that I needed to put down--one had a skin issue and the other had a huge lump on its head that made its eye dry out. Anyway, I didn't want to feed them to the snakes since I wasn't sure what was wrong, but I didn't want to just let them die. I bought some dry ice and put it on one side of a small plastic rubbermaid and let it sit for a couple of minutes. When I put the mice in, they "fell asleep" almost immediately. They didn't even stand up! I was amazed at how quick it was and felt that it was probably the most humane way that they could go.

I've heard of other people doing it essentially the same way, but with CO2 canisters.
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Yah, as you know, CO2 comes off of dry ice. It's just a lot easier for people to use CO2 cannisters because they can be bought and refilled at many sports stores. I have yet to find place around me that sells dry ice... but if you order mice online then I guess you could use the dry ise in those packages.
 
patm1313 said:
Well, as I was warming up my mice, I realized that some had little holes in their chest. I'm going to take a guess and say that the breeder pierced their heart to kill them. Am I correct, and is this a humane way to kill them?
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patm1313 said:
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds funny as heck.

I know all of the killing methods, but I have never heard of deaath by piearced heart in feeders. It just seems like too much work.
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= LOL.

What starsevol meant was that all you did in this thread, was copy what everyone else said and then 'regurgitated' it to make yourself look knowledgeable and experienced, which is what you always do.

Susie, Janine, for some reason I can give rep on this forum. So, ye ask and ye shall recieve! :)
 
patm1313 said:
Yah, as you know, CO2 comes off of dry ice. It's just a lot easier for people to use CO2 cannisters because they can be bought and refilled at many sports stores. I have yet to find place around me that sells dry ice... but if you order mice online then I guess you could use the dry ise in those packages.
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Why post this????. From my understanding of nlt71 post, the older breeder mice were but down.
Why reply with your post????????
Just to post?

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Originally Posted by nlt71
I had two older breeder mice that I needed to put down--one had a skin issue and the other had a huge lump on its head that made its eye dry out. Anyway, I didn't want to feed them to the snakes since I wasn't sure what was wrong, but I didn't want to just let them die. I bought some dry ice and put it on one side of a small plastic rubbermaid and let it sit for a couple of minutes. When I put the mice in, they "fell asleep" almost immediately. They didn't even stand up! I was amazed at how quick it was and felt that it was probably the most humane way that they could go.

I've heard of other people doing it essentially the same way, but with CO2 canisters.
 
I just want to see these holey-hearted mice, because I don't believe the original story at all.
 
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