ecreipeoj said:
It seem as if I have seen photos you have posted of possible Lavender Caramels. Have you seen different results over the years in clutches that could have produced a Lavender Caramel? The reason I ask, is because of a question that was ask of Don S in a chat. Here is what he had to say about the combo many years ago. It seems as if yourself and others, may have had different results since this one.
Well at this point, I have two adult males who look like definitely positively
maybe a combo of Lavender and Caramel, and I believe Hypo thrown in there as well, if I remember correctly. They did look slightly different as babies, but there were a lot of Hypo Lavenders thrown in the pot that were quite variable and were throwing the visual ability to discern everything off somewhat. Now after raising up a bunch, it does appear to be a definite visual marker for this combo. But as would be expected, those two adult males do not look identical either.
As for that clutch of Don's, I seem to recall that photo. But in hindsight, it just may have been that Don't luck was no better than mine tends to be. So he just did not get that combo wanted there.
ecreipeoj said:
Why do you think some Lavenders have normal eyes like your Avatar, and some have ruby eyes? Have you ever considered the possibility that “Mocha” and “Lavender” where alleles instead of the same gene? This is a very new concept, since we have discovered that Ultra is an allele with amel. This may answer some of the odd things we see in Lavenders such as our floating “hypo” like gene and the different results we see when combining Lavender and Caramel.
What if the breedings were actually, “Mocha” X Caramel, or “Lavender” X Caramel and the results were different? If they are alleles, we could see three different phenotypes in clutches when they are combined, which could be the answer to some of the odd results we see in the Lavender line, such as Don‘s “Hypos“, which I have seen in Lavender Lines that do not carry the Hypo gene. Is there just a “ruby eyed” gene or is it an indication of possible alleles?
Beats me. That red-eyed trait has been a chimera of sorts with me for a long time. You would think it would be something predictable in breeding trials, but I still don't have a clue as to what genetic parts are needed to make it appear upon calling. Certainly one would think that SOMETHING triggers it and it just doesn't appear when cosmic rays hit the animal at the right time during development or something.
The possibility of two lines of Lavender looking animals (Mocha and Lavender) are alleles instead of separate genes certainly could be a possibility, but it would pretty much have to be a case where an animal heterozygous for both Mocha and Lavender would have to look pretty much the same as either, or as an intermediary stage. Perhaps this is so, and that particular combo has been too subtle to notice all these years. So perhaps the red eye IS this combo? :shrugs: Possibly.... With nothing at hand to say what it IS, I certainly can't make any claims to say what it ISN'T. For that matter, it seems to me that the original Mochas mostly had ruby eyes from what I can recall, so maybe that black eyed form is the real indicator of something different? :shrugs:
ecreipeoj said:
I believe a breeding of a Hypo Lav Blood X Amber Blood would be the ticket. Hypo Bloods het Lav Car, would reduce the odds to 1 in 16 to produce a Hypo Lavender Caramel Blood.
Yeah, that may be on the roster for me in another year or so. Don't have an adult Amber Blood at the moment. I always tend to grow my animals up MUCH more slowly than any one else, I guess.
With future plans aimed at getting lavender bloods in the third or fourth generation, whether or not they're striped.