Hey everyone! My poor little corn has been regurging his food lately. Temps are fine etc. So i figured he had a stomach virus of some sort, so i began the Grapefruit Seed Extract remedy. (or trying it at least). I just added the correct amount to his water dish. I have seen him drinki the water with it in it, so i know he has ingested some at least. How long should i continue the treatment for? Should it go on for days? or should i put in clean fresh water now that i know he has ingested some?
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Grapefruit Seed Extract
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Lennycorn
Just see the truth
Well I know Kathy uses GSE for health perpures but for regurges she recommends this,
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342
scroll down to the treatment.
Good Luck.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28342
scroll down to the treatment.
Good Luck.
thanks, i have read that a million times, but my question has not been answered. My question was not to do with the rugurges. It was to do with a possible illness, and the correct dosage of G.S.E, and how often it should be administered. Please read posts thouroughly before relying. Thank you for your help though!!!
Lennycorn
Just see the truth
From page 128 of Corn Snakes, The comprehensive Owner's Guide
...A few drops added to the water bowel, after a three day period of withholding water to ensure thirst, have yielded encouraging results with young corns prone to regurgitation. Be careful though, because too much extract in the water will resulting the snake refusing to drink it. Mix it in a glass and taste it yourself first if in doubt......
You states before this to check the out the stress and etc etc that you already know about.
Good book, you should buy it.
...A few drops added to the water bowel, after a three day period of withholding water to ensure thirst, have yielded encouraging results with young corns prone to regurgitation. Be careful though, because too much extract in the water will resulting the snake refusing to drink it. Mix it in a glass and taste it yourself first if in doubt......
You states before this to check the out the stress and etc etc that you already know about.
Good book, you should buy it.
jazzgeek
The Rule Of Thirds.
From my understanding, a probiotic like GSE won't do anything for a virus.
However, before anyone could give an effective and plausible answer, you may want to consider providing more information. Most of us will probably want to know:
How long has the snake been regurging?
Have you followed the usual procedures (e.g., "10 day rule") when discovering the initial regurge?
Have you been using the same food items (e.g. fuzzies purchased at the same time) ?
Have there been any other symptoms? (gurgling sounds while breathing, mucous around the jaw, etc...)
It's like saying, "I sneezed a number of times today. How much NyQuil should I chug tonight to prevent this?"
regards,
jazz
However, before anyone could give an effective and plausible answer, you may want to consider providing more information. Most of us will probably want to know:
How long has the snake been regurging?
Have you followed the usual procedures (e.g., "10 day rule") when discovering the initial regurge?
Have you been using the same food items (e.g. fuzzies purchased at the same time) ?
Have there been any other symptoms? (gurgling sounds while breathing, mucous around the jaw, etc...)
This defies reason, IMO. Why begin a course of treatment if you're not sure of the illness, or that there is an illness?
It's like saying, "I sneezed a number of times today. How much NyQuil should I chug tonight to prevent this?"
regards,
jazz
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I actually put 2-3 drops in my bigger bowls and one drop in smaller bowls, every other water change. I haven't had any snakes refuse to drink it either. It doesn't hurt them and is so diluted that the small amounts don't make their water taste bad.
But it is a good idea to find out why the snake is having regurges, after all in many cases the GSE will not help. It's not the 'magic cure-all' for regurge problems. In your case you say the snake has a stomach virus, but without having gone to the vet it's hard to know for sure.
Look up some of the other regurge threads and learn more about the possible causes and treatments. I don't like saying 'do a search' but regurging has already been addressed in many threads and it might help you to read some of them if you haven't yet.
But it is a good idea to find out why the snake is having regurges, after all in many cases the GSE will not help. It's not the 'magic cure-all' for regurge problems. In your case you say the snake has a stomach virus, but without having gone to the vet it's hard to know for sure.
Look up some of the other regurge threads and learn more about the possible causes and treatments. I don't like saying 'do a search' but regurging has already been addressed in many threads and it might help you to read some of them if you haven't yet.
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
There is no real dosage on GSE.
I just did some experimenting and wrote what often worked for me. It is not a scientifically arrived at figure. I originally used it before I discovered Nutri Bac. GSE seems to work sort of like a broad antibiotic. It has even proven effective against fungus and I believe, some viruses, as well as bacteria and microbes in general. There has been quite a bit written about it in agricultural uses - you can probably find info through Google.
Now, I usually start with a round of GSE for the first week or two when starting a regurge treatment, along with Nutri Bac and the nursing care outlined in my FAQ. (I also often use it as a general disinfectant in drinking water, since I can't change water bowls everyday). Then I discontinue the GSE while continuing the NB. That is because I don't know if the GSE could have a negative effect on the NB "good" microbes that are trying to become established in the digestive tract. I don't know if anyone has the answer to that. So I do it the way I do because it seems logical, conservative, and has often worked.
Unfortunately, herpetoculture is new enough that even herp vets often don't have the "for - sure" answers that we would like. Much of any breeder's advice comes from anecdotal trial and error experience that has often worked for us in the past. But of course we have to be open-minded enough to always watch for new methods that will work better (but not SO open minded that our brains fall out, lol!) We have to use our best judgment, based on our own and other people's experience, along with whatever scientific discoveries come along to help advance our hobby and give us new products to try out.
I just did some experimenting and wrote what often worked for me. It is not a scientifically arrived at figure. I originally used it before I discovered Nutri Bac. GSE seems to work sort of like a broad antibiotic. It has even proven effective against fungus and I believe, some viruses, as well as bacteria and microbes in general. There has been quite a bit written about it in agricultural uses - you can probably find info through Google.
Now, I usually start with a round of GSE for the first week or two when starting a regurge treatment, along with Nutri Bac and the nursing care outlined in my FAQ. (I also often use it as a general disinfectant in drinking water, since I can't change water bowls everyday). Then I discontinue the GSE while continuing the NB. That is because I don't know if the GSE could have a negative effect on the NB "good" microbes that are trying to become established in the digestive tract. I don't know if anyone has the answer to that. So I do it the way I do because it seems logical, conservative, and has often worked.
Unfortunately, herpetoculture is new enough that even herp vets often don't have the "for - sure" answers that we would like. Much of any breeder's advice comes from anecdotal trial and error experience that has often worked for us in the past. But of course we have to be open-minded enough to always watch for new methods that will work better (but not SO open minded that our brains fall out, lol!) We have to use our best judgment, based on our own and other people's experience, along with whatever scientific discoveries come along to help advance our hobby and give us new products to try out.
kathylove said:
Thank you all so much. He has been regurging, and i have started the regurg treatment that you have outlined in your FAQ, and i figured i would ALSO use some GSE just incase its from a stomach problem etc. I seen him drinking some water, so i know he has digested some GSE. I have taken it outta the water ever since, and i am going to offer a brained, or half mouse during his next feeding. I think i may have just given him something too big last time, and he regurged the next day. I am just taking extreme caution to ensure the health of my snake. I will let you all know on sunday how he is doing. I need to wait till then because i need to let his gastric juices build up, or whatever they are called before i begin to try and feed him again.