HELP, I found a snake, and I dont know what it is!!

[Double het]

So a corn x emory would be called a rootbeer?

What's a creamsicle then? Isn't that a cross between these 2? Or has looks something to do with it to?

What you call a creamsicle x Emory? Thats 25% and 75% Emory or isn't it that simple?

 

[KJUN]

So a corn x emory would be called a rootbeer?

What's a creamsicle then? Isn't that a cross between these 2? Or has looks something to do with it to?

What you call a creamsicle x Emory? Thats 25% and 75% Emory or isn't it that simple?

Creamsicle is an albino cornsnake/Emory hybrid. Rootbeer is a normal cornsnake/Emoryi hybrid. I believe a hypo cornsnake/emory hybrid is called a cinnamon. et cetera. Most creamsicles having more cornsnake that Emory in them today. All of these have the mutant gene from cornsnakes. I know some people are making a "reverse" creamsicle by breeding the albino emoryi to a cornsnake. Stupid since it isn't allelic with the albinism found in cornsnakes, but it looks exactly the same.

KJ

 

[Double het]

Creamsicle is an albino cornsnake/Emory hybrid. Rootbeer is a normal cornsnake/Emoryi hybrid. I believe a hypo cornsnake/emory hybrid is called a cinnamon. et cetera. Most creamsicles having more cornsnake that Emory in them today. All of these have the mutant gene from cornsnakes. I know some people are making a "reverse" creamsicle by breeding the albino emoryi to a cornsnake. Stupid since it isn't allelic with the albinism found in cornsnakes, but it looks exactly the same.

KJ

Albino. That's a missing black right? I have a cross 'Red stripe' with Emory. It's the one in my profile pic. It doesn't look like a Creamsicle at all.

So a rootbeer would be a cross of a normal cornsnake versus Emory?

 

[KJUN]

> Albino. That's a missing black right?

Bingo. Red eyes and all. Well, they are kinda yellow-red in creamsicles, but you know what I mean.


> I have a cross 'Red stripe' with Emory. It's the one in my profile pic. It doesn't look like a Creamsicle at all. So a rootbeer would be a cross of a normal cornsnake versus Emory?

I'm not sure what you mean by "red stripe" whether it is an albino striped or just a striped, but either way, that trait (or those traits) are both recessive. The first generation babies (F1s) would be rootbeers het for that trait (or those traits). Breed two of those hybrids together, and you'd get striped rootbeers. Follow?

...and see how red yours is? Rootbeer is a poor name, isn't it? The guy that coined that name really messed up, and it is a shame that name stuck. Oh, well. At least there IS a unique name for the hybrid cross to differentiate them from pure cornsnakes.

KJ

 

[Double het]

My guess would be an albino striped. Red eyes.

So i should sell those babies as rootbeer? Right now i just sell them as corn/emory hybrids but if your 100% sure these are called rootbeers that would be better.

I don't inbreed my snakes. Especially since stripes seem to be already weaker due to inbreeding. What would i get if i crossed these snakes with corns. Do i get stripes out of it or does in entirely depend on what the corn is het for?

 

[KJUN]

So i should sell those babies as rootbeer? Right now i just sell them as corn/emory hybrids but if your 100% sure these are called rootbeers that would be better.

Yep. If you say "rootbeer," people that know what hybrids are know what you mean. Of course, it is ALWAYS safer to let people know they are hybrids IN CASE they are newbies. Know what I mean?

I don't inbreed my snakes. Especially since stripes seem to be already weaker due to inbreeding. What would i get if i crossed these snakes with corns. Do i get stripes out of it or does in entirely depend on what the corn is het for?

You still get rootbeers (because offspring from hybrids are ALWAYS hybrids), and the only way you'd get stripes is if you breed it to a striped (or het striped) corn - as you already alluded to! The stripe gene used to be extremely weak. That might/probably have been due in part to inbreeding, but a lot had to do with the origin of the stripe gene. It came from a smaller "line" of corns that liked lizards instead of pink mice, etc. They were valuable at the time, so people "babied" them into surviving instead of out-crossing to STRONGER lines and letting the weak ones die off.

Things are better now. I haven't had a line of weak striped corns in almost 6 years. Definitely an improvement. Some of this is just an "accidental" result of breeding stripe into all of the other color morphs/mutations, of course. I applaud outcrossing whenever I see it, but, of course, I'm not a fan of hybrids.

KJ

 

[Nanci]

Vin, don't you think if you'd have had the actual snake in your hands, you would have recognized it as a corn, or would it have been very hard to tell?

Nanci

 

[Double het]

Yep. If you say "rootbeer," people that know what hybrids are know what you mean. Of course, it is ALWAYS safer to let people know they are hybrids IN CASE they are newbies. Know what I mean?

Definately. I always tell customers that if they breed this they will still get hybrids. Just to be sure.


[/QUOTE]Things are better now. I haven't had a line of weak striped corns in almost 6 years. Definitely an improvement. Some of this is just an "accidental" result of breeding stripe into all of the other color morphs/mutations, of course. I applaud outcrossing whenever I see it, but, of course, I'm not a fan of hybrids.

KJ[/QUOTE]

Well i few lines don't say much of all the stripes in the world. Just like rats. There are lines that have less cancer but still your changes are pretty hard just purchasing one.

Thanks for all the info

 

[Vinman]

Vin, don't you think if you'd have had the actual snake in your hands, you would have recognized it as a corn, or would it have been very hard to tell?

Nanci

No they are to close the only way is test breeding