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HELP, I found a snake, and I dont know what it is!!

Nanci said:
Like what, an albino cobra?? I pick up snakes that I don't know what they are all the time. I do know what the local venomous snakes are, and I can rule those out.

Nanci
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I wouldn't want to bet my life on an escaped venomous pet ;)
 
So I'm betting you frown on cave diving and riding a motorcycle without a helmet, too... :)

Nanci
 
KJUN said:
Yes, it is worth about $50. Houston County is nowhere near Emory land. Period! Geez, and that is more likely to be an albino blackbird than any other Elaphe in that part of Texas......lol.

Emory ratsnakes aren't as ubiquitous in Texas as some people seem to mistakenly believe.....lol.
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they have other emoryi on the property before and it is in the range maps
 
Vinman said:
they have other emoryi on the property before and it is in the range maps
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Then they mis-ID'ed what they did find in the past, and your range maps are years out of date. (Remember that they used to think everything in East Texas was an emoryi, but that ID was blown out of the water at least by 1996 with Vaughan et al.) Trust someone that lives in East Texas and herps here recreationally AND professionally. :)

Besides, even if that was captured in S. Texas where they DO occur, THAT is obviously not an emoryi. Look at the underlying (barely seen, but there) blotches, spear point, and body shape. It is obvious that isn't an emoryi. I don't know who originally mis-ID'ed it as such, but I can't believe the mistake was even made.

KJ
 
the spear point is very sharp in all the ones I seen. So what lives where she lives is a corn /emoryi intergrade. Alan Tennant and RD Bartlett Book Snakes of of North America . Eastern & Central Regions

unless I'm mistaken wher Huston is
 
Vinman said:
the spear point is very sharp in all the ones I seen. So what lives where she lives is a corn /emoryi intergrade. Alan Tennant and RD Bartlett Book Snakes of of North America . Eastern & Central Regions

unless I'm mistaken wher Huston is
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Both of those so-called sourced are wrong. Try a real book, like Werler and Dixon, for a good reference on Texas snakes......or try a published paper like the one I already mentions or Burbrink (2002, I think). Besides, at LEAST since 1996 (actually much earlier), there has been a general consensus that emoryi and guttata don't intergrade in the wild. None have ever been observed, etc. There MIGHT be some evidence for slowinskii x emoryi intergrades/hybrids, but THAT isn't published yet. I suspect it will be soon, though. ;)

The spear point IS sharp in emoryi, but it has, typically, a shape thatis distinctly different from what is typically observed in cornsnakes. Houston County is in middle-east Texas, and I do believe they meant they lived in Houston County and NOT the city of Houston / Harris County. They said "country," but I think they meant county.

Anyway, it isn't either of those possibilities. ...just an escaped pet cornsnake - which they CAN legally sell. Legally, and factually, cornsnakes (even as intergrades) are NOT native to Texas. Emory and slowinski's ARE native, as are Texas ratsnakes, and can't be sold - normal or abnormal in appearance - without proper permits. If they want to sell it, they need to be GLAD it is a just a cornsnake!

It IS a pretty blizzard corn, though. Congrats to them for finding it.
KJ
 
A Happy ending

Hey Guys,

I supersingly found the owner, they were a family a little bit down from the Henderson's house ( the elderly couple )

It is a Blizzard Corn Snake, and it was cleaning day, and he had squeaked out the boxes they had them in, altough we were sad to see the Blizzard go back ( as they had breeding plans for it ) they asked us if we wanted a beautiful little normal fella.

I have to talk to my husband about it, but if all goes well, hopefully we can take it!

But I did find "his" home, and they were franticly looking for him!, So I guess it all turned out well. :cool: They were very glad to have him back, aparently they had bought him from a breeder in CA, ( they said they Special Ordered him ) they didnt see he was gone, until they started placing everyone back in their bins, they looked for hours, then saw my ad, so now I have someone I can talk to about my Corn Snakes, and only about a mile or so down the road. :crazy02:

Thanks for all of your help!!
 
I didn't mean that previous post to sound harsh. The books mentioned are OK for pictures and hobbyists, but they typically are NOT very accurate in the scientific arena. Werler & Dixon's books are MUCH, MUCH better for Texas. Good references.
 
CornSnakes556 said:
Hey Guys,

I supersingly found the owner, they were a family a little bit down from the Henderson's house ( the elderly couple )

It is a Blizzard Corn Snake, and it was cleaning day, and he had squeaked out the boxes they had them in, altough we were sad to see the Blizzard go back ( as they had breeding plans for it ) they asked us if we wanted a beautiful little normal fella.

I have to talk to my husband about it, but if all goes well, hopefully we can take it!

But I did find "his" home, and they were franticly looking for him!, So I guess it all turned out well. :cool: They were very glad to have him back, aparently they had bought him from a breeder in CA, ( they said they Special Ordered him ) they didnt see he was gone, until they started placing everyone back in their bins, they looked for hours, then saw my ad, so now I have someone I can talk to about my Corn Snakes, and only about a mile or so down the road. :crazy02:

Thanks for all of your help!!
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Good for you , good deed well done
 
CornSnakes556 said:
Hey Guys,

I supersingly found the owner, they were a family a little bit down from the Henderson's house ( the elderly couple )

It is a Blizzard Corn Snake, and it was cleaning day, and he had squeaked out the boxes they had them in, altough we were sad to see the Blizzard go back ( as they had breeding plans for it ) they asked us if we wanted a beautiful little normal fella.

I have to talk to my husband about it, but if all goes well, hopefully we can take it!

But I did find "his" home, and they were franticly looking for him!, So I guess it all turned out well. :cool: They were very glad to have him back, aparently they had bought him from a breeder in CA, ( they said they Special Ordered him ) they didnt see he was gone, until they started placing everyone back in their bins, they looked for hours, then saw my ad, so now I have someone I can talk to about my Corn Snakes, and only about a mile or so down the road. :crazy02:

Thanks for all of your help!!
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That's what I figured, but can you imagine the ODDS of finding an escaped baby snake in such a large amount of lad around those houses????

Glad everything ended up well, and the snake is back home instead of eaten by some bird somewhere!
KJ
 
Neat thread, but for awhile it seem like throwing a cow into prianha (sp? and spell check isn't working..) infested waters, lol. Glad you found him his home!
 
CornSnakes556 said:
Hey Guys,

I supersingly found the owner, they were a family a little bit down from the Henderson's house ( the elderly couple )

It is a Blizzard Corn Snake, and it was cleaning day, and he had squeaked out the boxes they had them in, altough we were sad to see the Blizzard go back ( as they had breeding plans for it ) they asked us if we wanted a beautiful little normal fella.

I have to talk to my husband about it, but if all goes well, hopefully we can take it!

But I did find "his" home, and they were franticly looking for him!, So I guess it all turned out well. :cool: They were very glad to have him back, aparently they had bought him from a breeder in CA, ( they said they Special Ordered him ) they didnt see he was gone, until they started placing everyone back in their bins, they looked for hours, then saw my ad, so now I have someone I can talk to about my Corn Snakes, and only about a mile or so down the road. :crazy02:

Thanks for all of your help!!
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They should throw you a snake for your honesty, if they dont I will give you one free of charge. You have to pay the shipping though. Good deeds should get rewarded.
 
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