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het Motley or just a Temperature caused?

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a bit freaky but nice!
Ok at first these lil critters come from a Anery x classic het amel het anery pairin.
In the whole clutch there were these very odd lookin normals.
A friend of mine hatched em out n now we are debating bout if the parents
are het motley or is it´s just caused of incubating temperatures.

In my opinion both parents are het motley but whats your guess?
 

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Het motley, to my knowledge, has never had a *ringer*. Drizzt hatched almost an entire clutch of notleys that look very similar to yours. You should chalk it up to complete randomness and nothing more.
 
It would be kind of cool to hold back a pair to breed together. _Something_ is going on. I have not heard of temps/incubation incidents causing a change in belly pattern...
 
Indeed that´s exactly what i´m thinking about!
Even the lateral and head pattern are totaly wierd
n i havent ever seen corns with that kinda pattern
caused from incubation temps!
 
Yeah, but Brent's babies didn't have nearly-plain bellies like this one. Well, there was one with split belly checks, which is one sign of the masque gene (wonder if it was female). But Brent's didn't have connected "mots" like these do. The head pattern here is bizarre. It doesn't seem like neural crest migration was affected during incubation because the pattern is symmetrical, not offset.
 
Nanci said:
Yeah, but Brent's babies didn't have nearly-plain bellies like this one. Well, there was one with split belly checks, which is one sign of the masque gene (wonder if it was female). But Brent's didn't have connected "mots" like these do. The head pattern here is bizarre. It doesn't seem like neural crest migration was affected during incubation because the pattern is symmetrical, not offset.
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Ive produced connected mots from not mot x not mot pairings before. I like to think of them as cleaner zig zags. And as for the belly issue, mots can have belly checks, so why cant non mots have no belly checks?

I know corns have been bred for a long time now, or so it seems, but i dont think we've seen nearly everything that we're going to see.
 
fyrefocks said:
I know corns have been bred for a long time now, or so it seems, but i dont think we've seen nearly everything that we're going to see.
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Exactly. I'm saying _I_ think it's more likely a genetic influence of a known or unknown gene or combination of genes rather than a developmental fluke. I'd like to see the whole clutch!!
 
Nanci said:
Exactly. I'm saying _I_ think it's more likely a genetic influence of a known or unknown gene or combination of genes rather than a developmental fluke. I'd like to see the whole clutch!!
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If this is the case, then what are the odds that Drizzt and the OP both hit the same known/unknown gene from parents that probably arent related? Astro-hugely-gargantoginormously near impossible!

That being said, OP and Brent need to work something out. I know B. kept at least one of those oddities back for himself.
 
i´m totaly with nancy
they dont even look like the ones drizz hatched.
n one of the siblings had a full plain belly without
any checks.
Look at the sides to me the look totaly like
motleys but i´m no expert at all!
 
To me, this snake's belly scales show a complete cut-off of pattern, like you see in a classic motley or stripe. NOT like the babies in Jeff's thread. And it's been proven that a motley can have some checkers. What I find strange is the shape of the "mots." They are nearly _all_ squared off, none are the typical round mots.
 
Jessicat said:
What about these threads..

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103428

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103981

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104527


Without thinking about it too much (It's still somewhat early here) my guess is that both parents are het Motley.. and that the only way to be possitive will be breeding trials. :p


One thing I can say for sure is, GREAT hatchlings!! Those guys look awesome, I'm definitely a fan.
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So then this baby is a weird motley with belly checks...

Its pretty, thats for sure. Id love to see the sibs though.
 
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